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In what way?

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almost 500 were killed with hammers, bats, and clubs

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Note, that is rifles in total. Not assault rifles.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Violence is a symptom of social ills. Countries with lower crime rates have significant differences from the US. Less immigrants, less poverty, less social inequality, more healthcare, more sane drug laws, more social equality.

Guns are a tool used in violence and broadly speaking, we have two kinds. The common street violence related to crime and the rare events like Arora.

We are going to get some additional gun control that will do nothing to address either of the above issues.

I hope someone,is,smart enough,to require better stats be taken. Currently if,your,ex husband,who you jave a restrainomg order against gets out of prison and attacks you, that counts as "killing a family member" . So,e defensive,shootings are tracked as "murders", and nobody tracks defensive shootings.
The reality is that assualt weapons are rarely used in crime, too bulky, to hard to conceal, etc.

Another thing would be an 800# to find out if a gun,is stolen.

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This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

how many times can you punish the innocent for the sins of the guilty with out forcing the innocent to rebel

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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In what way?

The proposal is assault style weapons ban... not just rifles.

Show me the break down for the assault weapons used in deaths.

It says... rifles... how many were high powered, assault style, semi automatic, automatic? There is a difference, no?

How many of the hand guns were not semi automatic?

Other guns?

Firearms, type not stated? We all know that pretty much means they found a hole, but not the bullet. 1,587?

For their statistics to make your case, those would all need to be better defined.

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almost 500 were killed with hammers, bats, and clubs

Could have been the maid in the study with a candle stick... or the butler in the pantry with an ash tray.

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Note, that is rifles in total. Not assault rifles.

Assault rifles do not constitute the only assault weapons.

Handguns... 6,220. How many were semis?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Could have been the maid in the study with a candle stick... or the butler in the pantry with an ash tray.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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In what way?

The proposal is assault style weapons ban... not just rifles.

Show me the break down for the assault weapons used in deaths.

It says... rifles... how many were high powered, assault style, semi automatic, automatic? There is a difference, no?

How many of the hand guns were not semi automatic?

Other guns?

Firearms, type not stated? We all know that pretty much means they found a hole, but not the bullet. 1,587?

For their statistics to make your case, those would all need to be better defined.

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almost 500 were killed with hammers, bats, and clubs

Could have been the maid in the study with a candle stick... or the butler in the pantry with an ash tray.

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Note, that is rifles in total. Not assault rifles.

Assault rifles do not constitute the only assault weapons.

Handguns... 6,220. How many were semis?

the assault weapon is the person using the gun hammer chain saw whatever

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My point exactly. The government can't protect everyone from everything that might hurt them. That's the individual's job.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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In what way?

The proposal is assault style weapons ban... not just rifles.

Show me the break down for the assault weapons used in deaths.

It says... rifles... how many were high powered, assault style, semi automatic, automatic? There is a difference, no?

How many of the hand guns were not semi automatic?

Other guns?

Firearms, type not stated? We all know that pretty much means they found a hole, but not the bullet. 1,587?

For their statistics to make your case, those would all need to be better defined.

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almost 500 were killed with hammers, bats, and clubs

Could have been the maid in the study with a candle stick... or the butler in the pantry with an ash tray.

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Note, that is rifles in total. Not assault rifles.

Assault rifles do not constitute the only assault weapons.

Handguns... 6,220. How many were semis?

the assault weapon is the person using the gun hammer chain saw whatever

The point about automatic pistols seems a fair one.
Or do you see a lot of posturing little wankers who want to be Fiddy and/or Snoop when they grow up waving about revolvers rather than high capacity nines?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

30 states do not enter the mental health info into the instant backgroud check database this led directly to the Va Tech incident and maybe others this needs to be fixed

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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In what way?

The proposal is assault style weapons ban... not just rifles.

Show me the break down for the assault weapons used in deaths.

It says... rifles... how many were high powered, assault style, semi automatic, automatic? There is a difference, no?

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.

He didnt want to die. He tested the house. He thought it was empty. He was there to rob. I dont think any of us are disputing that fact.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

This woman was very fortunate...twice.

First, she was fortunate that she had the handgun in the house.

Second, she was fortunate that the guy rang her doorbell numerous times, then walked back to his vehicle to get a tool for breaking into the house. That gave her a LOT of time to go to the safe and open it.

I seriously doubt that in most instances where a firearm is needed for defence that they will be afforded that much time to retrieve their weapon. Had the guy simply walked up to her front door and kicked it in...no doorbell ringing and no walking back to his vehicle...she would not have had time to open the safe and things could have turned out much worse because of having that handgun "safely" locked away.

yeah somehow I don't think we got the whole story

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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My point exactly. The government can't protect everyone from everything that might hurt them. That's the individual's job.

And yet deaths due to drunk driving have dropped by over 50% since they implemented many measures including dropping the legal limit and raising the drinking age.

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which in no way undermines the original post

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EXCELLENT POINT. for all practical purposes, they started actually enforcing the law. Alcohol wasn't banned.
Bars weren't banned. Liquor stores weren't banned. There has been a minimum age for generations but it wasn't enforced (trust me on that one ).
There are at least a hundred more places that sell alcohol within 30 miles of me and there are fewer DUI's than 40 years ago.
They basically told cops "If you see someone driving drunk, fucking ARREST EM, don't wink at em and let em go."