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How is it discriminating against gender? Do you really, really think that abortion bans are passed simply to hamper a person because of her gender?!? Jim Crowe laws had nothing to do with anything other than limiting a person based on the color of his/her skin. Slavery of blacks was pretty much removal of all human rights based solely on the color of their skin. Women, for the most part (yes, there are exceptions like rape, incest, etc.), have a lot more control over their needs for an abortion. No abortion needed when you're not pregnant. Show me where a person can not be black so he/she can enjoy the same rights as whites.
Are you really believing that if men could get pregnant that this would still be an issue????
Yes.
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Allow me to explain it to you.
"We dont want to have to cover birth control for women."
Yet, they will cover Viagra for men under different names. 3 different names, last I checked.
Birth control is offered under only ONE name with multiple uses.
Discrimination.
So, birth control and ED medications are the same thing?!? Does "the pill" allow you to get sexually aroused so you can enjoy a sex life - which is what Viagra does, btw. If insurance companies were to cover male infertility pills and not women's, you'd be correct. As you are not making that argument, you're arguing apples and pears. And, once again, you are wrong in my opinions about it all anyway. Do I support employers covering birth control pills? Well, that's up to them, not me. When it's used for birth control purposes, it's one thing, but when it's for other medical conditions, it's another. The main point here, though, is that it's not up to me, or you, what an employer decides the insurance policy for the employees covers. It's up to the employer.
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Given the elective and permanent nature of sterilization, there are several special legal policies that should be considered during the consent process. In all states, there are special consent forms for all women undergoing publicly funded sterilization. A few states have special consents for all women seeking sterilization. Medicaid-funded sterilizations require a 30-day waiting period between consent and the procedure (except in the special circumstances of premature delivery or emergency abdominal surgery in the setting of prior consent) and that the patient be at least 21 years old and mentally competent.57 There are no such restrictions for male sterilization. Arbitrary denial of patient sterilization by health care professionals has been ruled in US courts to violate a man’s or woman’s basic rights. No official laws or policies dictate the sterilization of patients who are mentally challenged.
Discrimination
There is a slim chance that the ends of the vas deferens will grow back together, returning fertility in the male, through nature alone. And, even after a vasectomy, it's entirely possible for surgical repair to the vas deferens, returning fertility. The reversal surgery, however, is not perfect and there is a decent chance that it won't "take." I don't recall the percentage, but I do remember being told by the surgeon 8½ years ago. It may also have to do with the limited number of eggs a woman can bear over the course of a "normal" child-bearing years. Relative scarcity does increase value, does it not?
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In order to ensure that a patient is fully informed, he or she must be made aware that temporary contraceptives are also available, that sterilization is a surgical procedure that carries surgical risks, that there are some potential health benefits to sterilization, and that, if successful, the procedure will prevent the patient from having any more children.
So, a woman gets sterilized to prevent pregnancy, yet is denied birth control that is offered under only one name by insurance companies and employers.... so, she may end up pregnant anyways.
More Discrimination
Same argument. Already answered above.
Now we see a push to roll back abortion rights that affect only women. Its a pervasive attitude that insists a woman should be made to carry a pregnancy despite her own wishes.
Unless you can find a man who has also been treated the exact same way, its sex discrimination in many forms, on many levels.
You can argue John Doe is infringing your abortion rights, or Davy Jones, or whoever you want. I am not, and I am the one you're arguing abortion beliefs with.
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My reproductive rights are being discriminated against because I am a woman. All based upon someone else's morality code.
Frankly speaking, that moral code has no business between my legs.
When you argue with me, about my personal beliefs, you should make your arguments according to my personal beliefs. Arguing that I'm discriminating against your reproductive rights, or support that discrimination, is wrong, as I've pointed out several times, including in this very thread.
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How is my opposing them from paying for abortions not stating that I never want them to? And, if it's a "moot point," why are you making such a big deal about it?
Because you keep bringing it up as a valid issue. No one is asking the government to pay for them.... so why do you keep saying you dont want them too when they arent?
Why am I not allowed to be against government doing something it isn't doing? Am I to assume I'm not allowed to be against government actively trying to blow the moon up? It is my opinion and belief. You don't have to agree with it. I don't bring it up as an argument against abortion rights. If there comes a time when the debate is whether or not to fund abortion with Federal money, my belief is already set and out there.
I am not arguing that the Federal Government is funding abortions and I want it stopped. I am saying I don't want them to. Since they aren't, I have no beef with the Federal Government on this particular issue. And, the only reason it was brought up in this thread is because I stated it when I stated my beliefs about abortion. Since Federal funding of abortion beliefs, are about abortion, I'm allowed to mention them when I mention my beliefs about abortion.
I does my heart proud to know that we actually both disagreed with the OP's argument, and have, once again, butt heads over a topic where we really don't disagree all that much. You must be bored.
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