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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 1:29:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, that ie no proof.

Second, even he states that not all feminists are as you claim.

Third.... your point?

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 2:01:09 PM   
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Still waiting for your explanation of how Robert Bly (the originator of the current Men's Movement 1n 1990) isn't a lefty, dear.

Just saw this. Bly and the rest of the mythpoetic men's movement may have the same general goals as the MRA they have very diffferent methodologies and underlying philosophies.

In general Bly was about men being the "best" men they could be.

The MRA is about whiny wimps demanding better treatment because they can't cut it in a world that doesn't cater to them.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 3:37:31 PM   
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First, that ie no proof.


Here's the rub, do you expect me to spend time digging through quotes from feminists to point this out, not to mention, it being likely dismissed by people who are pro feminist that will make any excuse under the sun for it? What a waste of effort.

Anyway, here is a really quick example I found first up in google. I am not going to submit to the demands of others and expect me to do a whole assignment on it. Seriously, you have to be living under a rock if you have never seen "white male blame" before in your life. Do people just want to ignore the obvious as a cheap way to invalidate my stance?

http://www.feministezine.com/feminist/modern/White-Male-Privilege.html

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 4:12:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		"That woman's physical structure and the performance of maternal functions place her at a disadvantage in the struggle for subsistence is obvious. This is especially true when the burdens of motherhood are upon her. Even when they are not, by abundant testimony of the medical fraternity continuance for a long time on her feet at work, repeating this from day to day, tends to injurious effects upon the body, and as healthy mothers are essential to vigorous offspring, the physical well-being of woman becomes an object of public interest and care in order to preserve the strength and vigor of the race."

The courts have long placed men and women differently. Something you have berated women for repeatedly was something done by your own sex.

For centuries, this country was dominated by white males. For you to arrogantly demand people stop pointing fingers at the group that kept every other ground beneath the heel of white men is rather laughable. That would mean you honestly believe less than 70 years of pushing, demanding, screaming and legislating equal rights has been effective in erasing centuries of discrimination and abuse.

I cant help you were born a white male. I have no clue what its like in Australia. In the US, people would simply shake their heads at your ranting and walk away.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 6:51:02 PM   
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The MRA is about whiny wimps demanding better treatment because they can't cut it in a world that doesn't cater to them.


Depends. Or, at least, it does here, in the UK. I've met keen supporters of Families Need Fathers amongst men who no-one would call whiny wimps, and amongst feminists. The latter see men's liberation as a direct corollary of the liberation and equality that they, feminists, want, or have achieved - though of quite a different sort.

"'Private or domestic goods', rather than 'public goods', is what men lack", is the way it was put by one feminist I know. The right and the freedom not to have to live in a cold, hard-arsed, 'we're fighters or we're nuttin'' world. All that stuff. That is, not the stuff that helps you get rich and powerful, but the stuff that keeps you sane and happy.

Etc, etc, etc. On reflection, there's no way of articulating such notions without sounding soppy and basically at least a bit unmanly.


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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 8:14:19 PM   
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The courts have long placed men and women differently. Something you have berated women for repeatedly was something done by your own sex.


I think you are forgetting that female judges exist too? So just because someone from the same sex done it, this means men aren't allowed to complain about it? Oh I see. Using your logic, I guess that means if women call other women sluts, no other woman is allowed to complain about slut shaming because women do it too.

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For centuries, this country was dominated by white males


It was dominated by a handful of people who happen to be male and white. This doesn't mean that every white male on this planet share the same power as the handful of white males who ran the show. This doesn't mean that every white male on the planet dominates everyone else.

There will always be people in power in any society. Why make such a big deal about it when people in power happen to be white men? Is it only acceptable when women and minoritiy races are in power?

Do you think things would be perfect or better if women or people from a minority race ran the show for all this time? Is there any proof that things would be better?

I THINK NOT!!!

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For you to arrogantly demand people stop pointing fingers at the group that kept every other ground beneath the heel of white men is rather laughable.


Well "some" black people have done bad in the past too, so does that mean I can point my finger at the whole black race? Look at your quote, you used the wording "group". So you are basically saying that it's okay to point fingers at white males as a whole group because of what a handful of white males did?

That sounds very sexist and racist to me.

Lets not forget that people from any gender and race have done bad in the past. No gender or race is perfect. But the only time to not let go of the past is when white men did the crime as it seems.

Hilarious, ain't it?

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In the US, people would simply shake their heads at your ranting and walk away.


Why? Because of anti white male bigotry? That sounds about right.

If we shook our heads and walked away from black people talking about their problems because other black people have done bad, that would be bigotry.

If we shook our heads and walked away from women talking about their problems because other women have done bad, that would be bigotry.

If we shook our heads and walked away from muslims talking about their problems because other muslims have done bad, that would be bigotry.

But wow all the sudden, magic, it's not considered as bigotry and hate to treat white men different compared to others who have a complaint simply because a handful of people who share the same gender and skin colour were evil.


Why are liberals such hypocrites? They complain endlessly about prejudice against women and minorities and complain about how us evil white males treat them differently and yet here are the liberals treating white men differently compared to everyone else simply because a handful of other white men did bad.

What a laugh

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The MRA is about whiny wimps demanding better treatment because they can't cut it in a world that doesn't cater to them.


Wow it's so odd how this doesn't apply to feminists. For some reason, it magically only applies to men who stand up for their gender. But it's all okay for feminists to complain at any place and any time and keep doing it for decades and decades. Remember the liberal and feminist rule, it's only whiny when men stand up for their gender, this doesn't apply to feminists.









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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 8:27:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, someone clarify for me, are the white men the oppressors or the oppressed?

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 8:58:23 PM   
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Okay, someone clarify for me, are the white men the oppressors or the oppressed?


How many white men are oppressors? 1 percent of the white male population? So it's not right to use the words "white men". A better way to say it is that "these people" have oppressed others.

Why should their gender and race have anything to do with it? People from any gender and race have done bad. People from any gender and race have discriminated against others who are different. This is a part of human nature that we can't avoid. Why is it only such a big deal when white men are the culprits?

And yes, some people do oppress white men simply because white men are claimed to be privileged, so they think that means it's okay to give white men biased treatment.

Do you think white men have these magical invisible force fields that make them immune to unfair treatment? Anyone, any human, any person regardless of their skin colour and gender can be oppressed by others.

White men don't have these special magical powers that people seem to think. Next thing people will be saying that white men can shoot laser beams out of their eyes because they are so powerful and privileged.


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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:05:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't focused on white men in particular but on men in general. It's an example on how society treats the so called privileged gender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwe6ECiXi4


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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nick, I pray daily that you get some divine intervention dealing with your attitude toward just about everyone on the board, on the planet, and for all I know in the Universe.

At this point I dont care if it is the hand of god, the holy spirit granting you a sense of reality, or an asteroid crashing through your roof followed by the voice of god telling you to shut the fuck up.

As for the privileged in the US.

There are white, Hispanic, African American, Chinese American, Japanese American, Irish American and just about every minority in this country is represented in the Forbes List of wealthiest Americans.

So your focus on white Americans being the oppressors and oppressed is bullshit. There are people in this country of all races that are oppressors and the oppressed, it is not limited to race.

Once you realize that, you might actually start posting relevant replies to whatever topic.

Until then, "Please dear god, do something about naughtynick81, make him realize that he is not the all knowing fount of knowledge he thinks he is. In the name of the father, son and holy spirit, amen."

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:14:08 PM   
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I think you are forgetting that female judges exist too? So just because someone from the same sex done it, this means men aren't allowed to complain about it? Oh I see. Using your logic, I guess that means if women call other women sluts, no other woman is allowed to complain about slut shaming because women do it too.


They do now....

For example, when Julia Cooper Mack was appointed to the D.C. Court of Appeals in 1975, she became the first woman of color, and only the eighth woman total, to be appointed to a court of last resort. By 1993, 60 women had served on the highest court in forty states, the District, and the federal courts. Today, women comprise 26.3% of the judgeships on state courts of last resort, 19.2% of federal district court judgeships, 20.1% of federal appellate judgeships, and 33.3% of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Women are still a massive minority.

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It was dominated by a handful of people who happen to be male and white. This doesn't mean that every white male on this planet share the same power as the handful of white males who ran the show. This doesn't mean that every white male on the planet dominates everyone else.

There will always be people in power in any society. Why make such a big deal about it when people in power happen to be white men? Is it only acceptable when women and minoritiy races are in power?

Do you think things would be perfect or better if women or people from a minority race ran the show for all this time? Is there any proof that things would be better?

I THINK NOT!!!


The only one making a big deal out of this while situation is... YOU.

As to the bolded part... come back when you have a grown up argument. No one said it would be better if blacks ran the whole show.. or if women did... now deny it wasnt always skewed towards the race and sex in power.

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Well "some" black people have done bad in the past too, so does that mean I can point my finger at the whole black race? Look at your quote, you used the wording "group". So you are basically saying that it's okay to point fingers at white males as a whole group because of what a handful of white males did?


Duh, ya think black people have done bad?

Handful of white males?

You make it sound like 5 white males were completely responsible for slavery, Jim Crow laws and all the rest of the bullshit it has taken the US for the past 70 years to try and get rid of.

I come from a part of the country that if you go into a small enough town, you could still see fountains labeled "Whites only"

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Why? Because of anti white male bigotry? That sounds about right.


No, because people here actually know the history and are fed up with one class of people being pushed down by another who feels that are superior based solely upon the circumstances of their birth.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:17:25 PM   
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So your focus on white Americans being the oppressors and oppressed is bullshit. There are people in this country of all races that are oppressors and the oppressed, it is not limited to race.


Now you are putting words into my mouth.

Are you saying that I'm denying this? You need to think about what I am saying. I have claimed that no race is perfect. I have never said that whites/white men are the only victims of discrimination in western societies.

You need to think more before making such ridiculous claims against me.





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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:19:49 PM   
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So your focus on white Americans being the oppressors and oppressed is bullshit. There are people in this country of all races that are oppressors and the oppressed, it is not limited to race.


Now you are putting words into my mouth.

Are you saying that I'm denying this? You need to think about what I am saying. I have claimed that no race is perfect. I have never said that whites/white men are the only victims of discrimination in western societies.

You need to think more before making such ridiculous claims against me.








Uh, you blasted me for pointing out the oppression in Muslim, Asian and African countries, or dont you remember?

Selective amnesia is a wonderful thing, until you are called on it.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:20:43 PM   
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The only one making a big deal out of this while situation is... YOU.


Oh okay, so how dare I be against people making a BIG DEAL out of some white men being oppressors simply because they are white men.


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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:23:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		You were against white people being oppressors, not the oppressed.

Man you cannot keep your stuff straight.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:29:37 PM   
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You are the one that seems very confused.

I am simply against people who shame a whole race and gender for what a handful of others did who share the same race and gender.

But I don't expect someone like you to even comprehend what I just so clearly said by following your history of comprehending on here.




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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:31:18 PM   
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for what a handful of others did who share the same race and gender.


rofl

handful... there you go again.

It was a systematic set of laws and rules perpetuated by the majority of a race to keep other races down.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:32:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man you have attacked a number of people on this site for disagreeing with you. Even when they quote you directly you go on the attack claiming that was not what you said.

I had a brother in law like you and even when I taped the damn conversations and played the tape back five minutes after he made the statement he accused me of altering the tape, and I never left his presence.

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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:34:11 PM   
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It was a systematic set of laws and rules perpetuated by the majority of a race to keep other races down


Oh okay, so I guess every white male had power over what laws were made by the people at the top, who are the only people that have any such power.

My god, are you even capable of being rational, tazzy?


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RE: The Distress Of The Privileged - 1/23/2013 9:35:54 PM   
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Man you have attacked a number of people on this site for disagreeing with you. Even when they quote you directly you go on the attack claiming that was not what you said.


You are the one making things up out of thin air claiming I said this or that which never happened.

I consider you take some comprehension classes.

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