Zonie63
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about and have yet to cite a single example of a feminist blaming the poor oppressed white bloke for anything...
So you are saying that people do not blame white men for why women and people from minority races don't make it up the ladder in the employment/political world?
Okies, I am glad there is one more person that doesn't blame white men for the failures of others.
This answer is also for Zonie63. I would like to make a better and more polite version of it to him as he seems polite to me but I am not going to make 2 versions of the same answer. When he see's this he will understand. I do understand where he is coming from but we may not agree.
Thank you for your input Zomnie.
No problem, although I think the main point I made was that some people play the blame game and might specifically target white males, but many others do not. I think it's just a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff.
I often think it's a mistake to conflate racism and sexism anyway, because it tends to confuse the issue to some degree. They're really separate issues, and to connect the two simply in an attempt to play the game of collective blame seems disingenuous to me. There were white southern females from slave-owning families who supported slavery and racism, while there were white northern male Abolitionists who gave their lives to end slavery. But to simply blame "white males" as a collective group tends to confuse the matter and presents an inaccurate picture. Besides, "white" encompasses numerous ethnic and cultural groups originating from India to Iceland, so to lump all of these ethnicities and cultures into a single monolithic group called "white" doesn't really make much sense.
But our own governments and political leaders made it into what it was. Part of the reason for it was to redirect class struggles among whites. Wealthy landowners in the east wanted a way to keep poor whites from revolting, so they sent them west with the offer of free land and the possibility of having slaves work it. It wasn't just a handful - a point which was being argued earlier. Many whites (both males and females) benefited from this process of destroying Native peoples, pushing them further west, as well as bringing in more slaves as America's territory expanded. Today, we would consider this to be an unconscionable crime against humanity, although back then, it was called "Manifest Destiny." It was despicable when you come right down to it, and if there are people who still hold a degree of bitterness and resentment over what happened, then I would say it's understandable.
Based on that, we "white males" of today may be indirect victims of the policies put forth by our forebears. If we are distressed by losing our "privileges," it's not really the fault of white women or people of other races. The blame should probably go to those who came before us and set us up for this situation. True, we are not be personally responsible for what happened before we were born, but in a sense, we inherited this. There may be a double-standard in all of this - that can't be denied.
Another answer to this might be, if ever you encounter anti-white male bias, a good response might be to point out some of the positive examples of white males throughout history. Rather than play the "double standard" and "hypocrisy" cards, perhaps a more productive way might be to ignore that and take a more positive approach.
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