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Kirata -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/19/2013 11:55:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Yep and some law bidding gun owner...killing our national symbol.... I'm not sure what "law bidding" means. But if you intended law-abiding, then I have to say I'm impressed. The article indicates that they have no idea who shot the eagles, let alone whether or not they were legally in possession of the weapon used. And since I'm sure you wouldn't just make up shit, like some people I could mention, may I ask if you could you possibly post some winning lottery numbers occasionally? K.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 12:01:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Yep and some law bidding gun owner...killing our national symbol.... I'm not sure what "law bidding" means. K. It's one of those words he learned when he got those imaginary degrees[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 12:13:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen . 1. For WWI assault rifles, look up the French Cauchat, The Russian Fedorov Avtomat "The Ribeyrolle 1918 may be the first weapon fitting the definition of an assault rifle (including select fire and portability) to use a purpose-designed intermediate round. " The Thompson was also developed in the teens and fits the bill When you talk about "hi velocity", it's the goddam BULLET. You don't even know the difference between that and a cartrige and you're trying to discuss ballistics?[sm=rofl.gif] That's fucking rich You also demonstrate your lack of knowledge by saying "Grams" in respect to bullet weight. Now that I have backed up my claims, where did I lie? Shorter barrels and cut down cartriges actually REDUCE the power of a weapon slightly. It's simply to make it easier to carry.

jlf1961 -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 5:51:33 AM)
Like I said, let em outlaw flash suppressors... A silencer is easy to make or purchase and all you need to do is fill out the NFA paperwork and pay a small fee.

DomKen -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 8:05:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen . 1. For WWI assault rifles, look up the French Cauchat, The Russian Fedorov Avtomat "The Ribeyrolle 1918 may be the first weapon fitting the definition of an assault rifle (including select fire and portability) to use a purpose-designed intermediate round. " The Thompson was also developed in the teens and fits the bill The Chauchat was a LMG not a service rifle. The Avtomat is an arguable case but most of the guns actually manufactured used a standard rifle cartridge. The Thompson fires a psitol cartridge which by definition makes it a SMG. As to the Ribeyrolle 1918, all my references mention is that such a weapon was experimented with by the french and nothing about it ever entering service. quote: When you talk about "hi velocity", it's the goddam BULLET. Wrong. it's the cartridge. Specifically the combination of amount and type of powder, the weight, caliber and material of the bullet which determines the muzzle velocity of the bullet. A bullet could be hi or standard velocity depending ntirely on the rest of the cartridge. quote: You don't even know the difference between that and a cartrige and you're trying to discuss ballistics?[sm=rofl.gif] That's fucking rich You also demonstrate your lack of knowledge by saying "Grams" in respect to bullet weight. grams as in metric weight. As in the marked weight on some bullets not manufactured in the US. quote: Now that I have backed up my claims, where did I lie? You lied about me discussing comparative weapon's power and about whether I mentioned bullets at all in the piece you quoted. Now unwad your panties and stop making a fool of yourself.

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 10:35:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen . 1. For WWI assault rifles, look up the French Cauchat, The Russian Fedorov Avtomat "The Ribeyrolle 1918 may be the first weapon fitting the definition of an assault rifle (including select fire and portability) to use a purpose-designed intermediate round. " The Thompson was also developed in the teens and fits the bill When you talk about "hi velocity", it's the goddam BULLET. You don't even know the difference between that and a cartrige and you're trying to discuss ballistics?[sm=rofl.gif] That's fucking rich You also demonstrate your lack of knowledge by saying "Grams" in respect to bullet weight. Now that I have backed up my claims, where did I lie? Shorter barrels and cut down cartriges actually REDUCE the power of a weapon slightly. It's simply to make it easier to carry. Do not forget that the BAR was developed in time for world war I but the army refused to issue it

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 10:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses. http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration. Fienstien herself has said that it would be non transferable and forfieted to the governmnet upon the death of the owner

tazzygirl -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 10:51:36 PM)
And I got that from her web site. Guess we gotta wait till the bill actually comes out because a google search did not come up with any quotes of her saying anything close to that.

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 11:41:44 PM)
www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html This will tell you what is involved in getting a NFA license She did make a statement like that on one of the talk shows a couple of weeks ago still looking for the link. If you cant get a license to own a machine gun the gun that looks like an assault weapon would have to be forfieted.

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/20/2013 11:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And I got that from her web site. Guess we gotta wait till the bill actually comes out because a google search did not come up with any quotes of her saying anything close to that. Wait till it's too late and hope for the best?

tazzygirl -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 12:09:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html This will tell you what is involved in getting a NFA license She did make a statement like that on one of the talk shows a couple of weeks ago still looking for the link. If you cant get a license to own a machine gun the gun that looks like an assault weapon would have to be forfieted. That only makes sense... the bolded part. That has nothing to do with transferring it. If you cant legally own it, you cant legally sell it or transfer it. And why would you not be able to legally own it? Q: May a private citizen who owns an NFA firearm which is not registered have the firearm registered? No. The NFA permits only manufacturers, makers, and importers to register firearms. Mere possessors may not register firearms. An unregistered NFA firearm is a contraband firearm, and it is unlawful to possess the weapon. The possessor should contact the nearest ATF office to arrange for its disposition. [26 U.S.C. 5861(d)] Yet, from my reading of whats available, Feinstein's bill would allow for registration.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 5:26:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do not forget that the BAR was developed in time for world war I but the army refused to issue it I dodn't forget the BAR but ken would say it's too long to be an assault rifle.[8\|] "Assault rifles" have to be a certain length or something.[&:]

Hillwilliam -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 5:33:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen grams as in metric weight. As in the marked weight on some bullets not manufactured in the US. Show a bullet weight specified in grams. (here's a hint. you'd have to use a lot of decimal places to get the necessary precision because there are about 15.5 grains to a gram. (If bullet weights were expressed in grams, you oould have to go to 2-3 decimal places to obtain the necessary precision.) The weapons I mentioned were only 3 of a dozen or more WWI and WWII 'select fire' war rifles. You didn't say they had to be actually used in war. You just said they were developed after WWII remember?

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 8:51:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html This will tell you what is involved in getting a NFA license She did make a statement like that on one of the talk shows a couple of weeks ago still looking for the link. If you cant get a license to own a machine gun the gun that looks like an assault weapon would have to be forfieted. That only makes sense... the bolded part. That has nothing to do with transferring it. If you cant legally own it, you cant legally sell it or transfer it. And why would you not be able to legally own it? Q: May a private citizen who owns an NFA firearm which is not registered have the firearm registered? No. The NFA permits only manufacturers, makers, and importers to register firearms. Mere possessors may not register firearms. An unregistered NFA firearm is a contraband firearm, and it is unlawful to possess the weapon. The possessor should contact the nearest ATF office to arrange for its disposition. [26 U.S.C. 5861(d)] Yet, from my reading of whats available, Feinstein's bill would allow for registration. and since most people cannot qualify for the license atf would then confiscate the weapon

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 8:52:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do not forget that the BAR was developed in time for world war I but the army refused to issue it I dodn't forget the BAR but ken would say it's too long to be an assault rifle.[8\|] "Assault rifles" have to be a certain length or something.[&:] See Clyde Barrows adjustments Ken would say a lot of things

DomKen -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 10:20:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen grams as in metric weight. As in the marked weight on some bullets not manufactured in the US. Show a bullet weight specified in grams. (here's a hint. you'd have to use a lot of decimal places to get the necessary precision because there are about 15.5 grains to a gram. (If bullet weights were expressed in grams, you oould have to go to 2-3 decimal places to obtain the necessary precision.) The weapons I mentioned were only 3 of a dozen or more WWI and WWII 'select fire' war rifles. You didn't say they had to be actually used in war. You just said they were developed after WWII remember? The 8mm Mauser's cartridge (7.92x57mm S.s. Patrone) has a bullet weighing 12.8 grams. I'm sure other European weapons also don't bother with grains which is strictly an imperial measure. The assault rifle was developed during WW2 not after and the weapons you mentioned were not developed for the reasons assault rifles were developed even if one of them does sort of meet the definition.

DomKen -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 10:22:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do not forget that the BAR was developed in time for world war I but the army refused to issue it I dodn't forget the BAR but ken would say it's too long to be an assault rifle.[8\|] "Assault rifles" have to be a certain length or something.[&:] See Clyde Barrows adjustments Ken would say a lot of things The BAR fired the .30-06 Springfield full sized cartridge not the intermediate cartridges of assault rifles. LMG's are not assault rifles.

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 10:35:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do not forget that the BAR was developed in time for world war I but the army refused to issue it I dodn't forget the BAR but ken would say it's too long to be an assault rifle.[8\|] "Assault rifles" have to be a certain length or something.[&:] See Clyde Barrows adjustments Ken would say a lot of things The BAR fired the .30-06 Springfield full sized cartridge not the intermediate cartridges of assault rifles. LMG's are not assault rifles. Tell that to the cops Barrow shot up with his slightly modified BAR

BamaD -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 10:39:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html This will tell you what is involved in getting a NFA license She did make a statement like that on one of the talk shows a couple of weeks ago still looking for the link. If you cant get a license to own a machine gun the gun that looks like an assault weapon would have to be forfieted. That only makes sense... the bolded part. That has nothing to do with transferring it. If you cant legally own it, you cant legally sell it or transfer it. And why would you not be able to legally own it? Q: May a private citizen who owns an NFA firearm which is not registered have the firearm registered? No. The NFA permits only manufacturers, makers, and importers to register firearms. Mere possessors may not register firearms. An unregistered NFA firearm is a contraband firearm, and it is unlawful to possess the weapon. The possessor should contact the nearest ATF office to arrange for its disposition. [26 U.S.C. 5861(d)] Yet, from my reading of whats available, Feinstein's bill would allow for registration. If Fienstien does not know that the greatly increased standard for NFA would cause widespread confiscation she has no business writing firearms legislation. If she does she is deliberatly missleading people bring her motivation into question.

Tallblkdom -> RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control (1/21/2013 10:47:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html This will tell you what is involved in getting a NFA license She did make a statement like that on one of the talk shows a couple of weeks ago still looking for the link. If you cant get a license to own a machine gun the gun that looks like an assault weapon would have to be forfieted. My pet peeves........only manufacturers need licenses. If you live in an NFA allowable state in order to take possession of any transferable NFA items whether they be machine guns, silencers, AOW or destructive devices you pay the tax fee and once the background check is approved you are sent a tax stamp( looks like a large postal stamp) and then you can take possession from the NFA dealer or manufacturer.

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