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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet is and that I said anything was higher velocity.

We're also not talking about custom powder loads but about standard cartridges. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

I read your posts and they are not ballistically or factually correct.
I was simply tring to teach. I was attempting to give you information that is not available in the popular media because most of the media mavens are, to put it blunt, totally ignorant.
A smaller gun or cartrige is NOT more or less powerful.
It is the Bullet, the velocity and the accuracy that counts.

A smaller firearm was developed so it is easier to cary long distances. That's IT

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Added to the above, my favorite hunting rifle is a .243. (I'll go out on a limb and say it's probably the second most popular hunting rifle caliber in the US) The bullet AND cartridge are a lot smaller than an AK bullet or cartridge respectively and I can load them a wee bit 'hot' to get 3300 FPS.

I'm not much into big calibers either. Of course, I'm not a hunter. But for anything I'm likely to need a rifle for, my favorite caliber is the .204 Ruger. DPMS makes a sweet 24" fluted barrel AR-form tack-driver that delivers 4225 fps with a virtually flat trajectory out to 200 yards.

[image]http://dpmsinc.com/assets/images/firearms/RFA3-204.jpg[/image]

K.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet is and that I said anything was higher velocity.

We're also not talking about custom powder loads but about standard cartridges. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

I read your posts and they are not ballistically or factually correct.
I was simply tring to teach. I was attempting to give you information that is not available in the popular media because most of the media mavens are, to put it blunt, totally ignorant.
A smaller gun or cartrige is NOT more or less powerful.
It is the Bullet, the velocity and the accuracy that counts.

A smaller firearm was developed so it is easier to cary long distances. That's IT

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

This is not intended as a reply to or directed at anyone.
The reason I started this thread was to highlight the sham that Fienstien is trying to pass off on us.
It's an "assault weapons" ban that doesn't even adress assault weapons.
It tells us that weapons are more usefull to criminals if they have bayonet lugs flash supressors or bipods.
It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

I kinda figured that one, ken.

One of the weapons that she wants to ban is the same pistol she has a concealed carry permit for, which makes her a hypocritical bitch.

By all accounts its been decades since Senator Feinstein had a permit for a concealed weapon and that she carried a handgun when she did. So what handgun from the 70's would the assault weapons bill ban?

then it sounds like some propaganda, since there seems to be a lot of websites claiming she is still packing.

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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986


actually the same bullet can be more or less powerful... the explosion behind the bullet can be a factor in power velocity and accuracy.. i think thats what ken is trying to tell you..

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986


actually the same bullet can be more or less powerful... the explosion behind the bullet can be a factor in power velocity and accuracy.. i think thats what ken is trying to tell you..

No ron, if you had bothered to actually read my posts, you'd see that that is that I am actually trying to tell him. He is a victim of Media Gun Education.

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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986


actually the same bullet can be more or less powerful... the explosion behind the bullet can be a factor in power velocity and accuracy.. i think thats what ken is trying to tell you..

No ron, if you had bothered to actually read my posts, you'd see that that is that I am actually trying to tell him. He is a victim of Media Gun Education.

well due to our 39 51 debate i thought it was the opposite way around lol i dont even know because you guys have a few pages of argueing that didnt even really notice till now lol.. im not even gonna bother getting into it anymore because the arguement just keeps splitting off in different directions and i apparently am just unable to follow..

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet is and that I said anything was higher velocity.

We're also not talking about custom powder loads but about standard cartridges. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

I read your posts and they are not ballistically or factually correct.
I was simply tring to teach. I was attempting to give you information that is not available in the popular media because most of the media mavens are, to put it blunt, totally ignorant.
A smaller gun or cartrige is NOT more or less powerful.
It is the Bullet, the velocity and the accuracy that counts.

A smaller firearm was developed so it is easier to cary long distances. That's IT

I was factually correct in every statement I made. You've repeatedly tried to add/change my words to make them fit your strawman attacks.

For instance I never wrote anything about the comparative power of any firearm.

You are not trying to teach. You have shown that you are the average gun liar with next to no knowledge of firearms and their history. You continued to blather about custom loads when it was clear the discussion was about standard cartridges.

Now go back and read what I wrote and see if you can not insert anything and come up with the strawmen you've been flailing at so badly.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Give it up Hill, he won't even admit to saying what he said he said.[8D] I went a couple of rounds with him over the same shit in the "Executive Orders" thread, then trying to tell me that you don't know anything about ballistics. Same shit, different thread. Oh yeah, I'm a liar too.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

MAKE MY FUCKIN DAY AND CALL ME A LIAR

He's kinda big on calling people liars. But credit where due, at least he has the sense to only do it to people who won't whine and report him. Might be time for a change-up to keep him on his toes.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet is and that I said anything was higher velocity.

We're also not talking about custom powder loads but about standard cartridges. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

I read your posts and they are not ballistically or factually correct.
I was simply tring to teach. I was attempting to give you information that is not available in the popular media because most of the media mavens are, to put it blunt, totally ignorant.
A smaller gun or cartrige is NOT more or less powerful.
It is the Bullet, the velocity and the accuracy that counts.

A smaller firearm was developed so it is easier to cary long distances. That's IT

I was factually correct in every statement I made. You've repeatedly tried to add/change my words to make them fit your strawman attacks.

For instance I never wrote anything about the comparative power of any firearm.

You are not trying to teach. You have shown that you are the average gun liar with next to no knowledge of firearms and their history. You continued to blather about custom loads when it was clear the discussion was about standard cartridges.

Now go back and read what I wrote and see if you can not insert anything and come up with the strawmen you've been flailing at so badly.

You were not factually correct. In post 57, you said

"Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era."

That is incorrect. the first one was a Russian weapon issued in 1915

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You also said " Since you are unaware high velcoity when talking about ammunition is a technical term with a specific meaning (supersonic muzzle velocity)." and I pointed out that virtually every modern cartrige used is "High Velocity".

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You claimed that "The round used in the AK-47 is significantly shorter than any .30 hunting cartridge. "

Ok but does that MATTER? A shorter cartrige can have superior ballistics to a longer cartrige and vice versa.

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Here's another of your posts "The AK-47 fires a short .30 (39mm compared to the 51mm used in NATO standard battle rifles.) which is high velocity and short ranged just like the 5.56mm round used in the AR-15. Both cartridges are specific and exclusive to assault rifles. The AK-74 fires a 5.45 X 39mm cartridge,"

Again, you are showing you don't know the difference between the bullet and the cartrige.

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Now, I have shown several of your posts that are untrue or demonstrate that you have no knowledge of firearms and ballistics.

Feel to do the same to my posts on the subject


Go ahead., MAKE MY FUCKIN DAY AND CALL ME A LIAR

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

This is not intended as a reply to or directed at anyone.
The reason I started this thread was to highlight the sham that Fienstien is trying to pass off on us.
It's an "assault weapons" ban that doesn't even adress assault weapons.
It tells us that weapons are more usefull to criminals if they have bayonet lugs flash supressors or bipods.
It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

I kinda figured that one, ken.

One of the weapons that she wants to ban is the same pistol she has a concealed carry permit for, which makes her a hypocritical bitch.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

Of course she doesn't. She wants the cops, on the front line in crime to have even more work and danger heaped on them by writing laws that disarm us. She'd never take the job herself.

What's the term that would be equivilent to "chickenhawk"?



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, Assault weapons under the Feinstein bill are not ACTUALLY assault weapons. They are semi automatic rifles built on a military frame.

The true definition of Assault Weapon is any select fire weapon that is the basic issue weapon for the military.

M16 is an assault weapon

AR15 is a semi automatic rifle built on a military rifle frame.

Just so you know, there is a fucking big difference between what is sold to civilians and what is sold to the military. The military does not buy semi automatic weapons.


I wish the fucking non-service people in the country would learn the fucking difference.

So the pistol are full auto too?

No military issue side arms are not full auto, NOR are they called assault weapons.

"The military does not buy semi automatic weapons." your quote....

Look, you _______, I was referring to rifles. Man anyone with an IQ over 3 would know that.

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It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.