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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMAkC9-haIQ

this video will give you an idea of how a 50ae round from the desert stacks up to other 50cal pistol rounds and just how much bigger it is to a 45

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

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ORIGINAL: Ronnie1986

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMAkC9-haIQ

this video will give you an idea of how a 50ae round from the desert stacks up to other 50cal pistol rounds and just how much bigger it is to a 45

I've watched the vids and seen the gun shop owner where I bought my .44 shoot his .50 in the indoor shooting range at his store.I know I can up-gun my XIX model .44 to a .50 but so far I haven't felt the need to.Between watching it in action and seeing the price on a box of ammo,I chose to go with the .44.I learned the very first day the .44 was very ammo sensitive...it would NOT cycle using lightly loaded ammo.

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I know there are other 44mag automatics, the 44 auto mag being one, but do all of them have the same cycling problem?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You were making an erroneous claim actually.

The round used in the AK-47 is significantly shorter than any .30 hunting cartridge.

But it's NOT a significantly smaller bullet as you were claiming. It's very close to a .308 and it's available with a 154 grain bullet.

The 30/06 is arguably the most popular hunting cartrige in the world.

Guess what the most popular bullet weights are?

151 gr and 160 gr.

Your claim of it being so much smaller than 'sporting arms' is just untrue.

30-06 factory load 160 gr travels about 2900 FPS
an AK round at about 150 gr hits agbout 2600 FPS

The cartrige is shorter but it isnt higher velocity and has a similar bullet contrary to both yoru claims.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You were making an erroneous claim actually.

The round used in the AK-47 is significantly shorter than any .30 hunting cartridge.

But it's NOT a significantly smaller bullet as you were claiming. It's very close to a .308 and it's available with a 154 grain bullet.

The 30/06 is arguably the most popular hunting cartrige in the world.

Guess what the most popular bullet weights are?

151 gr and 160 gr.

Your claim of it being so much smaller than 'sporting arms' is just untrue.

30-06 factory load 160 gr travels about 2900 FPS
an AK round at about 150 gr hits agbout 2600 FPS

The cartrige is shorter but it isnt higher velocity and has a similar bullet contrary to both yoru claims.

Maybe in your world shorter isn't smaller but in the real world smaller can be in any dimension including length. The round is high velocity not higher than something else. Since you are unaware high velcoity when talking about ammunition is a technical term with a specific meaning (supersonic muzzle velocity).

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Added to the above, my favorite hunting rifle is a .243. (I'll go out on a limb and say it's probably the second most popular hunting rifle caliber in the US) The bullet AND cartridge are a lot smaller than an AK bullet or cartridge respectively and I can load them a wee bit 'hot' to get 3300 FPS.

I'm not much into big calibers either. Of course, I'm not a hunter. But for anything I'm likely to need a rifle for, my favorite caliber is the .204 Ruger. DPMS makes a sweet 24" fluted barrel AR-form tack-driver that delivers 4225 fps with a virtually flat trajectory out to 200 yards.



K.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You were making an erroneous claim actually.

The round used in the AK-47 is significantly shorter than any .30 hunting cartridge.

But it's NOT a significantly smaller bullet as you were claiming. It's very close to a .308 and it's available with a 154 grain bullet.

The 30/06 is arguably the most popular hunting cartrige in the world.

Guess what the most popular bullet weights are?

151 gr and 160 gr.

Your claim of it being so much smaller than 'sporting arms' is just untrue.

30-06 factory load 160 gr travels about 2900 FPS
an AK round at about 150 gr hits agbout 2600 FPS

The cartrige is shorter but it isnt higher velocity and has a similar bullet contrary to both yoru claims.

Maybe in your world shorter isn't smaller but in the real world smaller can be in any dimension including length. The round is high velocity not higher than something else. Since you are unaware high velcoity when talking about ammunition is a technical term with a specific meaning (supersonic muzzle velocity).

Ken, a shorter cartrige doesn't necessarily carry a significantly smaller powder charge. I've handloaded thousands.

You don't fill the case with powder.

3600 FPS (AK) and 3900 (.30-06) FPS are BOTH supersonic and by your definition high velocity rounds. The speed of sound at sea level and 1000 millibars is a bit over 1000 FPS.

The bullets are of a similar caliber 0.308 diameter vs about 0.309 diameter.
Bullet weight. AK is available in a 154 grain
30-06 most popular is 151 gr and 160 gr.

The
AK cartridge is shorter to save space and weight but carries a similar powder charge.
The bullets are about 0.001 inch different in diameter.
The weight of the bullets overlaps depending on what is chosen.
They are both supersonic rounds with the .30-06 being about 10-15% faster.

ETA. Here's your quote. "Assault rifles were developed from the experiences in WWII. They are shorter and lighter rifles that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge than the roughly .30 caliber hunting rifle rounds fired by battle rifles of the era."

1. you don't fire a cartridge, you fire a bullet. The cartridge is what holds the bullet, primer and propellant.
"that fire a smaller but high velocity cartridge (bullet actually)"
2. The bullet in the Russian version isn't significantly smaller, it's actually 0.001 larger and it's slower than the typical hunting round which is the opposite of your claim.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Nonsense the 7.62mmx39mm is shorter than the 7.62mmx51mmR, also known as the .30-30 Winchester which is the prototypical hunting cartridge, by almost a half inch.

As to what is fired people routinely refer to cartridge size when discussing what round a weapon fires.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Nonsense the 7.62mmx39mm is shorter than the 7.62mmx51mmR, also known as the .30-30 Winchester which is the prototypical hunting cartridge, by almost a half inch.

As to what is fired people routinely refer to cartridge size when discussing what round a weapon fires.

The Cartrige is smaller
The bullet is not.
You still don't seem to know the difference between bullet and cartrige.

The bullet is a very similar size and travels more slowly than the standard hunting round contrary to your claim which was higher velocity.
As to what 'people' refer to, most 'people' are ignorant about guns because everything they know was learned by watching the evening news or reading articles written by ignorant 'people' who don't know the difference between a 9 mm and a .444 marlin.
As I said. Shorter casing does not necessarily mean lighter powder load. It just means less weight to hump through the boonies. That's one of the reasons military weapons' barrels tend to be shorter. Weight.
You can even get similar velocities with a lighter powder charge and a shorter barrel by using a different grade of powder.
Not all gunpowder is alike.
I could sit at the bench long ago and load shotgun shells for my dad, pistol cartriges for my uncle and rifle cartriges for myself and my grandfather. I'd use 4 different types of powder. Each one was tailored for a different acceleration(speed of burn) and barrel length.
Even 2 rifles of the same caliber with different length barrels would perform better with different powder loads and that's before you start altering the bullet weights based on what you're hunting and at what range.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Nonsense the 7.62mmx39mm is shorter than the 7.62mmx51mmR, also known as the .30-30 Winchester which is the prototypical hunting cartridge, by almost a half inch.

As to what is fired people routinely refer to cartridge size when discussing what round a weapon fires.

The Cartrige is smaller
The bullet is not.
You still don't seem to know the difference between bullet and cartrige.

The bullet is a very similar size and travels more slowly than the standard hunting round contrary to your claim which was higher velocity.
As to what 'people' refer to, most 'people' are ignorant about guns because everything they know was learned by watching the evening news or reading articles written by ignorant 'people' who don't know the difference between a 9 mm and a .444 marlin.
As I said. Shorter casing does not necessarily mean lighter powder load. It just means less weight to hump through the boonies. That's one of the reasons military weapons' barrels tend to be shorter. Weight.
You can even get similar velocities with a lighter powder charge and a shorter barrel by using a different grade of powder.
Not all gunpowder is alike.
I could sit at the bench long ago and load shotgun shells for my dad, pistol cartriges for my uncle and rifle cartriges for myself and my grandfather. I'd use 4 different types of powder. Each one was tailored for a different acceleration(speed of burn) and barrel length.
Even 2 rifles of the same caliber with different length barrels would perform better with different powder loads and that's before you start altering the bullet weights based on what you're hunting and at what range.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

This is not intended as a reply to or directed at anyone.
The reason I started this thread was to highlight the sham that Fienstien is trying to pass off on us.
It's an "assault weapons" ban that doesn't even adress assault weapons.
It tells us that weapons are more usefull to criminals if they have bayonet lugs flash supressors or bipods.
It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

This is not intended as a reply to or directed at anyone.
The reason I started this thread was to highlight the sham that Fienstien is trying to pass off on us.
It's an "assault weapons" ban that doesn't even adress assault weapons.
It tells us that weapons are more usefull to criminals if they have bayonet lugs flash supressors or bipods.
It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

I kinda figured that one, ken.

One of the weapons that she wants to ban is the same pistol she has a concealed carry permit for, which makes her a hypocritical bitch.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Go back and read my posts. You're simply lying when you claim I don't know what a bullet is and that I said anything was higher velocity.

We're also not talking about custom powder loads but about standard cartridges. Stop trying to put words into my mouth.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

This is not intended as a reply to or directed at anyone.
The reason I started this thread was to highlight the sham that Fienstien is trying to pass off on us.
It's an "assault weapons" ban that doesn't even adress assault weapons.
It tells us that weapons are more usefull to criminals if they have bayonet lugs flash supressors or bipods.
It claims to grandfather guns already owned but you will need a NFA license to keep it and you will not be allowto transfer it under any circumstanses.
And she wants us to believe her when she says she doesn't want to disarm citizens

I kinda figured that one, ken.

One of the weapons that she wants to ban is the same pistol she has a concealed carry permit for, which makes her a hypocritical bitch.

By all accounts its been decades since Senator Feinstein had a permit for a concealed weapon and that she carried a handgun when she did. So what handgun from the 70's would the assault weapons bill ban?