RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird??

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Notsweet -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:02:35 AM)
Trolls are fun!

con8ken -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:09:52 AM)
The LilSquaw I state some victims enjoyed some aspects of being raped, the original point was that of a masochist actively seeking to be raped in reality. You then flipped it and started talking about victims who have no inclination to any of the aspects.

con8ken -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:12:15 AM)
No one has answered the question I asked yet. I haven't been able to get a view on it. as knowone has actually picked up on the point. Tho some have made other interesting and valid points.

cpd0509 -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:14:02 AM)
Restate your question please.

mnottertail -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:16:02 AM)
Well exactly how many women actively go search out a raping in reality there, professor plum? With about 7 billion people in the world, and we don't have to go full half on women just to insure a conservative populus.....lets call her 2 billion. How many of them actively seek real life actual life threatening or near life threatening rape? Compare and contrast that to the number of men in the world whos peeners make sounds like big ben. Larger number, smaller? Give us that one before you have another wank in your Treachers chips cone.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:17:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: con8ken The LilSquaw I state some victims enjoyed some aspects of being raped, the original point was that of a masochist actively seeking to be raped in reality. You then flipped it and started talking about victims who have no inclination to any of the aspects. That is a MYTH that has been debunked by study after study. Here is one of those studies. Myth: Women secretly enjoy being raped. FACT No woman/ man/ child enjoys being raped. It is a brutal intrusion on the mind, body and spirit that can have lasting trauma. Taken from this study by the University of Minnesota:List of Rape Myths ETA: If YOU have studies showing that victims actually enjoyed being raped Id love to see them. I am not talking about something you read posted by someone on a website but an actual study done by a university, counselor, ect.

cpd0509 -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:19:07 AM)
I'm still trying to figure out what he is asking. There is no real question in the op. Just a bunch of "ponificating"

TheLilSquaw -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:19:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well exactly how many women actively go search out a raping in reality there, professor plum? How do you "actively" search out to be raped?

cpd0509 -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:20:54 AM)
How do you "actively" search out to be raped? I respectfully ask my Dom to rape me at his convenience.LOL!

TheLilSquaw -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:26:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpd0509 I respectfully ask my Dom to rape me at his convenience.LOL! Then that is not "rape". Lol That is consensual! :)

mnottertail -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:27:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well exactly how many women actively go search out a raping in reality there, professor plum? How do you "actively" search out to be raped? Keep on fuckin with me studette, you are gettin the swing of it. Look some of us here are guys, right...we don't think about parking our car under a streetlight in the parking lots, we don't think, oh I have to walk in the dark alone, oh I have to pull down my dress when I walk the stairs.............you know girls..... it dont enter our bloodstream that shit like it has to be in yours. So, here is this thing you live with all day, and of course you want to fantasize the good in it..........whoandhowever .... Just like me, 24/7/365 blowjobs is gonna chap my dick something fierce, but do you think that rubbing on burts bees is the part I am fantasizing about?

con8ken -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:27:16 AM)
I spoke to one sub and what she was saying seemed nuts, she had fantasies about being raped, to me the feelings of a victim who has no inclination towards any of the effects or emotions, and the feelings that a fantasist associates with it can never be equated, which is not to say the reality of rape is any less of a vile act if happened to either. I think some people don't differentiate between reality and fantasy and are damaged by it. Would any of you think that it would be ok for a masochist person to make a choice to put themselves in dangerous situations with a hope to actually being raped, based on their fantasy and the perceived feelings they will get from it? I think she is delusional and needs to seek help to protect her from herself. Do any of you believe that if they enjoy the reality of being raped, and as long as they report the crime to the police so this vile criminal can be arrested, that's ok.? I don't. So again I believe they need to be protected from themselves. Just because a person can it doesn't mean they should. I understand that this doesn't reflect the reality of everyday people in the bdsm community and the vast majority practice within safe limits, however extreme they may seem. I only asked two questions just to see if anyone agreed with me, and know one picked up on the questions and started saying unrelated stuff

cpd0509 -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:28:48 AM)
Isn't that was BDSM is? Consensual. He's arguing in circles because if I remember correctly, the woman had fantasies of being raped. She didn't say she was going out late at night to deserted areas hoping to be raped. Ah, that does make me wet. Oh no!! I must be crazy....FYI..not actively seeking to be raped.

Notsweet -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:31:03 AM)
Seriously, Con8ken, why are you on this site? It's a bdsm site for people who like bdsm, not an educational site. The purpose here isn't to make a sociological defense for it--there are sites for that. I'm guessing that you thought you were going to get the equivalent of pink fuzzy handcuffs that you buy at the lingerie store. There's nothing wrong with that, but this isn't the site for it. As Dark Steven pointed out, there are things that yes, most of us say, no, that's not ok. But either you've really missed the mark on explaining what it is that you're asking (and I actually think I understand your question), or you're here to bait people into some kind of argument (which you've done well). I think your answer here is yes, there are some people who go to wild extremes that are pathological, and there are people who happen to enjoy some things that, if you don't know what's really happening, look horrifying but in reality, are not. I think of fireplay and electrotorture as examples. But I can tell you now, if you tried to rescue someone who was doing those things consentually, the "victim" would probably have to be restrained in order to keep you from having the snot beaten out of you. And now you're getting boring. edited for typo

con8ken -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:32:36 AM)
The original question is as it is there as I copied and pasted it Whether you are actively seeking or not doesnt negate the questions. And if you read it the questions aren't the point. The point is some people need protecting from themselves.

mnottertail -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:32:44 AM)
quote: <snipped to the barest elements without destroying context.> Would any of you think that it would be ok for a masochist person to make a choice to put themselves in dangerous situations with a hope to actually being raped, based on their fantasy and the perceived feelings they will get from it? I think she is delusional and needs to seek help to protect her from herself. Do any of you believe that if they enjoy the reality of being raped, and as long as they report the crime to the police so this vile criminal can be arrested, that's ok.? I don't. We don't try to answer rhetorical questions where the excluded middles have already jumped to nonsensical conclusion, from unbalanced and flawed premises.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:33:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: con8ken Would any of you think that it would be ok for a masochist person to make a choice to put themselves in dangerous situations with a hope to actually being raped, based on their fantasy and the perceived feelings they will get from it? Answered it you simply didn't LIKE my answer. quote: ORIGINAL: con8ken Do any of you believe that if they enjoy the reality of being raped, and as long as they report the crime to the police so this vile criminal can be arrested, that's ok.? Again, I answered it but again you didn't like my answer. Other's also answered these questions directly but you refuse to accept them as answers because they don't go along with your line of thinking or personal believes.

cpd0509 -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:33:57 AM)
You want someone to answer your questions. Then you say the questions aren't the point. Ridiculous. I have better things to waste my time with. c

mnottertail -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:34:33 AM)
Luckily, I don't at the moment. I'm getting wood from the ungluings.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: New to bdsm and find a lot of it weird?? (1/23/2013 7:34:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: con8ken The point is some people need protecting from themselves. Who determines who THOSE people are? YOU? Who determines when or why those people need saving from themselves? YOU?

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