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JustDragonflies -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 1:03:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne why do you continue to try and admonish me when it was the allies that caused that condition? Do you not understand that when the germans medical and food supplies are bombed they are destroyed and can no longer be used? I'm admonishing you because of how you're presenting yourself and, out of compassion. I understand that when people herd others into situations of helplessness that the herders are responsible for what happens next. Do you know why you're trying so hard to alleviate the Nazi's from accountability? In my opinion the whole world was, to a degree, accountable for the Holocaust, but those who were the catalyst of the systematic extermination are the most responsible. Is it painful for you to recognize this deep ugliness of humanity? Is that why you're trying so hard?

Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 1:30:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JustDragonflies quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne why do you continue to try and admonish me when it was the allies that caused that condition? Do you not understand that when the germans medical and food supplies are bombed they are destroyed and can no longer be used? I'm admonishing you because of how you're presenting yourself and, out of compassion. I understand that when people herd others into situations of helplessness that the herders are responsible for what happens next. Do you know why you're trying so hard to alleviate the Nazi's from accountability? In my opinion the whole world was, to a degree, accountable for the Holocaust, but those who were the catalyst of the systematic extermination are the most responsible. Is it painful for you to recognize this deep ugliness of humanity? Is that why you're trying so hard? I am only pointing out the other side of the story that is not told enmass, omitted from the history books. If this had not been omitted this would be common knowledge of everyone here. but its not. If it so happens that it in that process the charges against the nazis in fairness need to be reduced then that is where the chips fall. Being the messenger I have nothing to do with the events as they unfolded. Hitler did not want war he was forced into it as a result of internal zionists double dealing with the brits. He wanted to deport the jews to madagascar. He had several jews in his army in command positions. Its just a not very convincing picture for genocide claim which the so called experts do not agree upon and certainly has not been proven by any means which is why they disagree. I champion justice and truth and that is why I post the other side of the story. I have a very long track record of posting the other side of the story that people often find painful as no amount of facts can change the force of tradition. Rememeber I posted the inhumanity of the americans, japs, russians, and british who incidently just happen to be the first to invent the concentration camp and literally everyone died in their as well.

vincentML -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:01:37 PM)
quote: Sure if you prefer tortured confessions to facts. More bullshit. No evidence Eichmann was tortured. Was a public trial. You just making up shit because you have no defense except to overload the readers here with tons of crap. Pathetic, ugly, disgusting, revolting . . . . got my point?

vincentML -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:06:26 PM)
quote: Typhus epidemics killed inmates in the Nazi Germany concentration camps; infamous pictures of typhus victims' mass graves can be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[6] Thousands of prisoners held in appalling conditions in Nazi concentration camps such Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen also died of typhus during World War II,[ Thousands!!!! How the fuck does that add up to six million? Sick bullshit you are spewing here. You got no case. Disgusting!!! ETA: did the fucking Einsatzgruppen shoot typhus germs from their guns? What wipeass bullshit you are spouting?

LafayetteLady -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:11:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I champion justice and truth and that is why I post the other side of the story. I have a very long track record of posting the other side of the story that people often find painful as no amount of facts can change the force of tradition. THIS has to be the funniest thing you have posted to date! "Champion justice and truth?" Are you kidding? You "champion" conspiracy theories and anarchism. The amount of time you spend posting your angry, misguided vitriol is laughable. I have no doubt that you didn't have all this holocaust conspiracy stuff stored away on your computer, so you spent hours searching and reading every possible anti-holocaust site you could find. Truly, you need help. Serious help.

Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:16:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Sure if you prefer tortured confessions to facts. More bullshit. No evidence Eichmann was tortured. Was a public trial. You just making up shit because you have no defense except to overload the readers here with tons of crap. Pathetic, ugly, disgusting, revolting . . . . got my point? there is no evidence of anyone being gassed either, so fine lets use that standard for both of us then got my point? quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Typhus epidemics killed inmates in the Nazi Germany concentration camps; infamous pictures of typhus victims' mass graves can be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[6] Thousands of prisoners held in appalling conditions in Nazi concentration camps such Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen also died of typhus during World War II,[ Thousands!!!! How the fuck does that add up to six million? Sick bullshit you are spewing here. You got no case. Disgusting!!! there you go with that russian propaganda! lets see the total at ausch was 1 million the fucking sign said 4 million [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holycausts/ausplaq1.gif[/image] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holycausts/was4millionnow1million002.jpg[/image] the level of denial on this board is getting ad boringustoallfuck a million is 1000 thousand. oh btw we already wasted more than 1 million iraqis! How about that imperialist genocide against a sovereign nation.

vincentML -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:21:39 PM)
quote: the level of denial on this board is getting ad boringustoallfuck Right. So the Poles weighed all the ashes from the cremetoria? If it is boring to you, imagine what your stupid shit is to us. Uggggggly!

jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:25:56 PM)
Actually the denial of just one person is quite hard to believe, more jewish/ally conspiracy bullshit to counter facts. In fact his level of conspiracy theory paranoia is such that I doubt even intensive therapy in an institution would help.

Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: the level of denial on this board is getting ad boringustoallfuck Right. So the Poles weighed all the ashes from the cremetoria? If it is boring to you, imagine what your stupid shit is to us. Uggggggly! see thats the problem you people do no fucking due diligence and think I should take you seriously. If you subtract heating and cooking they did not have enough coke to do more than about 8 bodies per day, and that would have dropped to 2 bodies per day after the allies bombs the supply lines. So get out your calulator and do the math. and remember that is if you do not use ANY coke for heating and cooking!

vincentML -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 2:36:23 PM)
quote: If you subtract heating and cooking they did not have enough coke to do more than about 8 bodies per day, and that would have dropped to 2 bodies per day after the allies bombs the supply lines. Awwwwww . . . poor Nazis. Their problems break my heart.[8\|]

jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 3:06:14 PM)
All the mass graves were faked by what? plastic and rubber anatomically correct dummies? And the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD were entertainment troops to throw the Jewish people in conquered territories parties, with cake and ice cream. Every argument that has been put forth as to why the Holocaust did not happen has been proven false so many times that there are people making a career out of it. The problem is that some people on these boards could not accept the facts if god himself came down and told them directly followed by a swift kick in the ass by his holy foot.

vincentML -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 5:33:38 PM)
quote: And the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD were entertainment troops to throw the Jewish people in conquered territories parties, with cake and ice cream. Jlf, there were seven major death camps, six of which were inside Poland. and they accounted for the extermination of 3.5 million people, mostly Jews. There were also smaller, satellite camps. The Einsatzgruppen, as you know followed the German army into Russia, Ukraine, Lituania, Romania, etc and were responsible for a difficult to estimate number of deaths. The small Jewish villages (the shtetls) were basically wiped off the face of the earth. Dickering whether the death toll was 4 million or 6 million is engaging in the worst sort of obscenity. So, to answer your OP, is holacaust denial antisemitic . . . you betcha! We are quite good at forgetting genocides. It is an interesting facility of the human mind, cus wtf, they really have nothing to do with our daily individual lives, and denying seems to serve some political or perverse conspiratorial purpose. The number of humans killed en mass just in the 20th C boggles the mind. Maybe we just can't handle the truth, to borrow a movie phrase.

jlf1961 -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 5:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: And the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD were entertainment troops to throw the Jewish people in conquered territories parties, with cake and ice cream. Jlf, there were seven major death camps, six of which were inside Poland. and they accounted for the extermination of 3.5 million people, mostly Jews. There were also smaller, satellite camps. The Einsatzgruppen, as you know followed the German army into Russia, Ukraine, Lituania, Romania, etc and were responsible for a difficult to estimate number of deaths. The small Jewish villages (the shtetls) were basically wiped off the face of the earth. Dickering whether the death toll was 4 million or 6 million is engaging in the worst sort of obscenity. So, to answer your OP, is holacaust denial antisemitic . . . you betcha! We are quite good at forgetting genocides. It is an interesting facility of the human mind, cus wtf, they really have nothing to do with our daily individual lives, and denying seems to serve some political or perverse conspiratorial purpose. The number of humans killed en mass just in the 20th C boggles the mind. Maybe we just can't handle the truth, to borrow a movie phrase. When I was a kid, my father was stationed in West Germany, one summer he took us to the camps that we could see in that part of the country. As an adult after the fall of the Berlin wall I toured 3 more. The camps in west Germany were primarily work camps, not death camps. As for the Einsatzgruppen, there were a few SS enlisted men that allegedly deserted, and made it to out of mainland Europe, unofficially they were debriefed, officially they were thrown in a POW camp. In all my research I have found nothing to verify that. However, Air Recon photos of the camps were available to the Allies as early as 1942.

Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 6:04:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: And the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD were entertainment troops to throw the Jewish people in conquered territories parties, with cake and ice cream. Jlf, there were seven major death camps, six of which were inside Poland. and they accounted for the extermination of 3.5 million people, mostly Jews. There were also smaller, satellite camps. The Einsatzgruppen, as you know followed the German army into Russia, Ukraine, Lituania, Romania, etc and were responsible for a difficult to estimate number of deaths. The small Jewish villages (the shtetls) were basically wiped off the face of the earth. Dickering whether the death toll was 4 million or 6 million is engaging in the worst sort of obscenity. So, to answer your OP, is holacaust denial antisemitic . . . you betcha! We are quite good at forgetting genocides. It is an interesting facility of the human mind, cus wtf, they really have nothing to do with our daily individual lives, and denying seems to serve some political or perverse conspiratorial purpose. The number of humans killed en mass just in the 20th C boggles the mind. Maybe we just can't handle the truth, to borrow a movie phrase. whats a couple million one way or another? Nothing to quibble about there! If its mostly jews how come they have the lowest percentage of losses? Got ANYTHING at all to support that? ANYTHING? You have right of course to your opinion but we have the right for you to prove it before we choose to believe it. There is no connection between antisemite and holocaust denial. However if you said antisemitism and some one were clearly attacking middle easterners at large I would be forced to agree. See the direct connection? But that is not what you are saying. If you said antijudaism and some one were clearly attacking jews I would be forced to agree. See the direct connection? If you said people were burned as a sacrifice to God then clearly and without any doubt I would again have absolutely no choice but to agree with you that it in fact was a holocaust. See the direct connection? The above examples are all incontravertible direct connections. See how that werks? Just making shit up as they go does not create a linguistically viable connection. You need to prove the link between semite as exclusive to jews (which it is not because arabs are semites) and holocaust as applicable to lots of dead people. Especialy since we already have a word for lots of dead people. You know genocide is lots of dead people as a result of massacre by whatever means at the hands of a tyrant etc. Unless we are to consider cremation as an offering to God? But they were not healthy, and the cremation was to destroy the disease they carried and one of the requirements for the holocaust sacrifice was the sacrifice must be healthy. If creamation is in fact a sacrificial offering to God and I were to deny it then clearly wthout any doubt I would be denying that a holocaust took place. So its not like I am being obtuse, you and jeff and anyone else who jumps on that band wagon just need to show chain of reasoning not a leap of illogic how it gets from one point to the next to become intrinsically connected. Incidentally the catholics lost 28% while jews only 15% so why dont we call it a christocaust instead in memory of all the cathilcs and pay the church 2wice the amount of war reparations that we pay isreal? Then again maybe we are and I am not aware of it huh.

Real0ne -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 6:13:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 All the mass graves were faked by what? plastic and rubber anatomically correct dummies? And the Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD were entertainment troops to throw the Jewish people in conquered territories parties, with cake and ice cream. Every argument that has been put forth as to why the Holocaust did not happen has been proven false so many times that there are people making a career out of it. The problem is that some people on these boards could not accept the facts if god himself came down and told them directly followed by a swift kick in the ass by his holy foot. no one denied mass graves where you getting that from? no one denied there were really bad guys who went around needlessly murdering people either. no one denied the holocaust either, waiting for it to be proven and laying out the problems with proving it is not denial except to a very fertile imagination. Jeff I will accept any linguistically correct connection to the words you have chosen to associate as soon as you provide me with the reasoning and appropriate connective links. I will also accept your official death certificates as facts ok. Have you presented them? no of course you havent. Nor has anyone else. All I get from you people is the same useless belches and beer farts that proves absolutely nothing. Anyone can stand on their soap box and scream anything they want is twu, of course proving it is a whole nutha story. The only person proving anything in this and your other holocaust thread is me. Doesnt make for a very good score on your side. Until then its looks like we are 28% catholic losses 15% jews and no recognition for the catholics. Does not seem fair does it?

thishereboi -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/27/2013 6:15:12 PM)
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VideoAdminChi -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/28/2013 7:01:25 AM)
FR, I removed a personal attack and posts that replied to it. For those of you who replied, feel free to ask for your content back so you can repost it. I will take this opportunity to remind people that there is a Hide button available.

Kirata -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/28/2013 7:51:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Dickering whether the death toll was 4 million or 6 million is engaging in the worst sort of obscenity. By one measure, the difference between 4 million and 6 million is 2 million. By another measure, it may be the difference between truth and myth. And by yet a third measure, it might reasonably figure in the calculation of reparations. Frankly, I know of no other historical event about which raising questions can destroy someone's life and land them in jail. And in my view, that alone makes for a very good reason to raise them. K.

crazyml -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/28/2013 11:39:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Sorry pal I dont do judges I only do jury trials. (well with exception to strict statutory liability, then there is no point) and should a judge ever get pissed off over my legitimate defense I demand his recusal. simple as that. I don't believe you.

Moonhead -> RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? (1/28/2013 11:55:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 As for the Einsatzgruppen, there were a few SS enlisted men that allegedly deserted, and made it to out of mainland Europe, unofficially they were debriefed, officially they were thrown in a POW camp. In all my research I have found nothing to verify that. One story I've heard (and I admit that I love this story so much that I've never made any effort to research it, lest it should turn out to be drivel) is that a lot of the rank and file SS who weren't wanted specifically for war trials deserted en masse, and a lot of them wound up in the Foreign legion and died at Dien Bien Phu. If this story is true, it's possibly the best thing ever.

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