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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 5:56:55 AM   
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Are you even aware that many more jews were expelled and their property stolen by the arab regimes in the same time period? For instance Egypt once had a thriving jewish community with many ancient synagogues. Now at most a couple of dozen jews remain in the whole nation.

@DomKen

Can you document this? Or are you just inventing shit as you go along?

Of course
Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_Egypt#After_1948
The whole Arab world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

In total 800k to 1 million jews.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 6:02:23 AM   
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I didn't deny anything.


Then you need to re-read your posts on ethnic cleansing.

If you think whats happening is a denial of grazing land then you are terribly misinformed.

What I read was that some tents were confiscated and 60 people were displaced. That isn't ethnic cleansing. What the article clearly said was that a bunch of land was closed to grazing along the border with Jordan. Some hyperbolic language was used but try gleaning the actual facts from the article.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 6:03:54 AM   
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Ethnic cleansing though, is clearly taking place. Even the Israeli media talks about it. It`s a disgusting practice that needs to be halted.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/5156-israeli-newspaper-accuses-army-of-qethnic-cleansingq

Yeah it's pretty bad. I'll start worrying about it once it is safe to go to pizza parlours everywhere in Israel.

This kind of arrogant contempt seems to be an exclusive preserve of Zionists.

The notion that ethnic cleansing is not as important as eating a pizza might raise smiles among Zionists. The rest of us interpret it as an accurate statement of just how little value Palestinian lives carry with Israel and its ever dwindling bunch of racist supporters.

Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 6:09:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed, DomKen, numerous Jews were expelled, some chose to leave on their own. The Mizrahim (Hebrew for "Easterners) and Arab Jews (Yehudi Arabi in Arabic) had long lived in their countries, Arabic generally being their first language. Them being expelled is a tarnish.

However, in some countries, they stayed, and continue to. In Iran today, there are still close to 50,000 Jews (of all Ethnic groups) that refuse to immigrate to Israel (even when the government of the IRI told them their trip would be comped).

Egypt, which had long been the holder of the Arab League, was kicked out of the league when it recognized Israel as a State. Omar Sharif, the actor, faced challenges at home just for kissing Barbara Streisand!

As to the other countries in the region not helping the Palestinians more, yes, this has even been covered in this thread, and it is a major source of contention for us (Palestine supporters). The regimes and Monarchies and "Theocracies" are perverse and crooked, we fully acknowledge that.

Hope you have a good day, DomKen, and while I do not agree with your position on the matter, I can respect it. Look forward to speaking more on it.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 6:19:38 AM   
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As to the other countries in the region not helping the Palestinians more, yes, this has even been covered in this thread, and it is a major source of contention for us (Palestine supporters). The regimes and Monarchies and "Theocracies" are perverse and crooked, we fully acknowledge that.

The regimes have long used the Palestinian "crisis" to distract the "street" from the problems at home. why else maintain squalid refugee camps in Egyptian Gaza and in the West Bank when it was part of Jordan for more than 20 years.

The only reason some sort of peace has not been negotiated, like the one on the table at Oslo, is because those same regimes were willing to support more terror against Israel and the PA leadership was beholden to those regime's money.

Israel is not faultless but there is no way forward until something changes on the Arab side.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 7:05:56 AM   
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The regimes have long used the Palestinian "crisis" to distract the "street" from the problems at home. why else maintain squalid refugee camps in Egyptian Gaza and in the West Bank when it was part of Jordan for more than 20 years.

The only reason some sort of peace has not been negotiated, like the one on the table at Oslo, is because those same regimes were willing to support more terror against Israel and the PA leadership was beholden to those regime's money.

Israel is not faultless but there is no way forward until something changes on the Arab side.


Indeed they do, but that's governments in general. Here in the US, to take the focus off of economics/Occupy Movement, more footage is shown from war/celebrity gossip is shoved down throats. In the UK, when times were tough, more and more News from Northern Ireland was/is shown. Good distractions all around.

The second paragraph is both highly incorrect and highly correct at the same time. The regimes talk a loud talk, as we've covered here, and pay lip service to Palestine and her supporters, but also sell their oil to countries hostile to Palestine/Palestinian Statehood. They also will turn away Palestinians seeking asylum and have even expelled Palestinian refugees (Kuwait).

Things need to change dearly on both sides. Hamas is not legitimate to run any form of government, and the Israeli government continues to be dominated by hawks. Honest people, as always, are caught in the middle and suffer. Both Palestinian and Israeli parents cry over their slain children. The situation is desperate but not hopeless!

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 12:36:08 PM   
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Are you even aware that many more jews were expelled and their property stolen by the arab regimes in the same time period? For instance Egypt once had a thriving jewish community with many ancient synagogues. Now at most a couple of dozen jews remain in the whole nation.

@DomKen

Can you document this? Or are you just inventing shit as you go along?

Of course
Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_Egypt#After_1948
The whole Arab world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

In total 800k to 1 million jews.

So, tit for tat from your own source:

"and later also due to policies of some Arab governments, who sought to present the expulsion of Jews as a crowd-driven retaliatory act for the exodus of Arab refugees from Mandatory Palestine.[1]"

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 12:50:41 PM   
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Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.

Ummm . . .the TOS is that we refrain from personal attacks. Hope you are not trying to scuttle this thread.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 4:16:20 PM   
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Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.


I am amazed anyone can think ethnic cleansing with or without dead bodies is acceptable. The fact someone feels it isnt, fails to show a hatred of Israelis.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 4:59:13 PM   
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Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.


I am amazed anyone can think ethnic cleansing with or without dead bodies is acceptable. The fact someone feels it isnt, fails to show a hatred of Israelis.


I never said it was acceptable. I said I'd worry about it when the Palestinians stopped trying to kill random Israelis. I worry about people dying before people having to move.

Is that really that hard to understand?

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/5/2013 5:11:00 PM   
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Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.


I am amazed anyone can think ethnic cleansing with or without dead bodies is acceptable. The fact someone feels it isnt, fails to show a hatred of Israelis.


I never said it was acceptable. I said I'd worry about it when the Palestinians stopped trying to kill random Israelis. I worry about people dying before people having to move.

Is that really that hard to understand?

yeah, fucking Palestinians, why can't they just wait and let the UN sort it out?

ever heard of "death from a thousand cuts"

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 12:34:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps DomKen needs to wait until another 1500 Palestinian kids are dead until he realises that the murderous thugs of the IDF, which he supports unequivocally, are those that do most of the killing in the conflict. Something like 10 Palestinians die for every Israeli fatality. Who has the most pressing need for security?

Here's vision of a settler-thug shooting an unarmed Palestinian while IDF looks on during an attack by extremist Israeli thugs on a Palestinian village: http://972mag.com/watch-settlers-shoot-palestinian-in-head-as-soldiers-stand-by/46354/

Here's more vision of Israeli thugs throwing Palestinians out of their ancestral homes without any notice or compensation - literally daylight robbery : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_Jqr5Aim3iE#!

One-eyed Zionists have no concern about how many people are murdered into order to steal the West Bank. If they had the slightest respect for human life or human rights, they wouldn't support such a nasty terrorist State in its apartheid, ethnic cleansing and colonialist expansion.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 2:54:59 AM   
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Perhaps DomKen needs to wait until another 1500 Palestinian kids are dead until he realises that the murderous thugs of the IDF, which he supports unequivocally,

Liar.

Get this into your head, just because I don't support Hamas and gullibly buy into every lie they spread does not mean I support the IDF.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 4:54:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		American policy of using GITMO, torture and drone killings are also a violation of so-called UN conventions.

There was a time when the US had a valid argument against violators of Geneva conventions...but no more. The US now on this too...has no clothes.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 5:06:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Israel is deporting Palestinians, Neighboring countries are deporting Jews, and before Israel existed, EVERYBODY in the region deported Palestinians and Jews, which is why they were shoehorned into the British controlled Palestine.

What is going on in the region, in my opinion, are crimes against humanity. But I dont set international foreign policy, if I did I would put happy pills in the water supply for every country and keep em in a stupor. I mean there are some great substances that stop aggression, sex drive, and other undesirable aspects of extreme human behavior, and countries have a habit of over medicating mentally ill, so why not use it to deal with the problems of the middle east?

Again note the Sarcasm, but in all honesty, chemical control of the population might be the only solution that works.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 5:24:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		jlf1961, that is part of the problem. Foreign, mostly Western, powers have been telling the region what to do, and how to do it for a long, long time. Foreign "intervention" in the region has become the norm. "Intervention" by nations that do not understand the region, the numerous Ethnic groups, not only why the Sunni and Shia disagree to the point of violence, but even the differences (large and small) between Sunni and Shia. The foreign powers do not understand that in the region there are well over 30 distinct Ethnic groups, each with it's own history, culture, and customs. What is good for a Christian Arab is not good for even a Christian Kurd. After the colonial power faded, the region was carved up, generally on maps with simple straight lines, putting Ethnic groups with sometimes a bitter enmity between them in the exact same area of the map. New powers began. I don't have to tell anyone the House of Saud being in power in Saudi Arabia is a cause of great strife/anger for people there and around the world, and the Christian minority of Lebanon being handed power of the Muslim majority did not bode well, but the former colonials saw to it that that would be the case.

The best that can be done is for foreign powers is to stay out of the region. Just stay out. There is much invested there by foreign powers, oil being 99% of it (give or take), so telling world powers that "rely" on oil from the region to stay out is not easy. The politics in the region shift, easily sometimes, and foreign powers cannot and do not understand it.

My point, I suppose, is for all reasons given to create "peace" and "stability", while some are good ideas NOW, may not be years down the road. The People of the region are finding their voice, their Power. God willing, they will fully realize it and exercise it.

(Yes I am fully aware much of your post was in jest, and I even chuckled a bit)

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 6:38:52 AM   
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They have not evacuated from a large section of the "territories." They have settlements thoughout and are adding more. And territories? How presumptuous of you!! Arafat rightly walked away from the Camp David talks citing cantonization of Palestinian land.

Nope thought we waz over dat? If ya believe arafat over clinton, ross an' many others then da ya also believe arsfat dat jesus was da original pally matryr?


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Ethnic cleansing where no one is killed is no where near as important as people being killed period. Your whining in this case just shows your hatred.

Ummm . . .the TOS is that we refrain from personal attacks. Hope you are not trying to scuttle this thread.

maybe ya should be directin' dat comment at tweak who accused ken of supportin' da murder of pally childers an' me of being some hasbara agent jus' cuze i disagreed?

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 6:51:24 AM   
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Indeed, DomKen, numerous Jews were expelled, some chose to leave on their own. The Mizrahim (Hebrew for "Easterners) and Arab Jews (Yehudi Arabi in Arabic) had long lived in their countries, Arabic generally being their first language. Them being expelled is a tarnish.

However, in some countries, they stayed, and continue to. In Iran today, there are still close to 50,000 Jews (of all Ethnic groups) that refuse to immigrate to Israel (even when the government of the IRI told them their trip would be comped).

nut sure dats 100% correct. da jews in iran were persecuted in da 19th c. pop went from over 120,000 ta bout 20,000 today. yup money waz offered ta leave but it is hard ta leave an' entire families leavin' is restricted.

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Egypt, which had long been the holder of the Arab League, was kicked out of the league when it recognized Israel as a State. Omar Sharif, the actor, faced challenges at home just for kissing Barbara Streisand!

As to the other countries in the region not helping the Palestinians more, yes, this has even been covered in this thread, and it is a major source of contention for us (Palestine supporters). The regimes and Monarchies and "Theocracies" are perverse and crooked, we fully acknowledge that.

Hope you have a good day, DomKen, and while I do not agree with your position on the matter, I can respect it. Look forward to speaking more on it.

yup da arab nations have laws discriminatin against da pallys an' theres truth in what ya say bout some arab leaderships like jordan but what bout syria, iran an' lebanon? those nations allow an' even facilitate da aggression. welcome ta cm by da way.

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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 7:02:33 AM   
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They have not evacuated from a large section of the "territories." They have settlements thoughout and are adding more. And territories? How presumptuous of you!! Arafat rightly walked away from the Camp David talks citing cantonization of Palestinian land.


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wantsoftheflesh:
Nope thought we waz over dat? If ya believe arafat over clinton, ross an' many others then da ya also believe arsfat dat jesus was da original pally matryr?


The map of the settlements speaks for itself. And they continue to proliferate. You simply cannot pretend they are not invasive and and do not violate the Fourth Geneva Convention as well as international calls to withdraw Israeli citizens from Palistinian land. The settlements are the greatest obstacle to peace in the ME.






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RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention - 2/6/2013 7:16:45 AM   
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nut sure dats 100% correct. da jews in iran were persecuted in da 19th c. pop went from over 120,000 ta bout 20,000 today. yup money waz offered ta leave but it is hard ta leave an' entire families leavin' is restricted.

The 20,000 number is mostly Persian Jews, Ethnic Parsa of the Jewish faith. Many stats don't take into account the Boghor/Boxori, who are Ethnically Uzbeki, and all of them are Jewish (their language is East Persian mixed with Hebrew). Indeed, it is hard. In no way sahpe or form am I defending the IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran).

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yup da arab nations have laws discriminatin against da pallys an' theres truth in what ya say bout some arab leaderships like jordan but what bout syria, iran an' lebanon? those nations allow an' even facilitate da aggression. welcome ta cm by da way.


Alot of it is politics. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The Palestinians need more than financial support. And yes, I do not care for the leadership of those nations, and their oppression. Thank you for the welcome! It's nice to be here. And I've seen people commenting on your writing style...it's just fine. I understand you perfectly.

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