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njlauren -> RE: Is slavery the final goal of submission? (2/18/2013 10:18:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: FinDommeXtina
I might say this or that for fantasy sake, but I would never ever want a true slave. I am just not comfortable with that. I would never be okay with forcing someone to do anything against their will because they have no choice or any real obligation to Me. Now would I accept a slave's submission to Me? Well, yes... but the choice to leave the relationship is always theirs.
In the end I see no real difference between a slave or submissive. My ego is not fragile enough to force anyone to stay with Me just because I say so and they are too weak to say no. Where is the real satisfaction in that?
Well spoken and I think it illustrates something important, that this has to be self determined. You may very well want someone to call a slave, they may feel like that, but you personally can't be in the position where you have to force your person to do something, you want it all to be voluntary/what they wish to do.....Using Xtina's example, suppose she had a person who wanted to be her slave, who quite willingly would do anything Xtina asked of her, never had to be forced or coerced, but willingly in their heart would do anything, even knowing they would never be forced to, because they felt it was their duty. Is that any less an M/s, even though Xtina's style would never allow her to use coercion or threat of punishment to get the s to do something.....I don't think so, because both parties are defining it as an M/s....as opposed to the poster where there is definitely the element where there could be things she wouldn't want to do, but if her M told her to do it, she would, because she knew she would be punished if she disobeyed and didn't want that...... very different styles, but both IMO M/s, albeit different *shrug*. So much of this is self defined it is very, very dicey to try and make distinctions for others, like defining slave versus sub, even where it appears 'obvious'; on the other hand, someone defining what it means for themselves is where it is at in my book.
I have been around the scene for roughly 30 years, and the term "slave" has been controversial for a number of reasons, for those who are horrified at what slavery meant and continues to mean in real life, and thinks putting that in the context of a relationship is wrong, others argue that it is taking what it a horrible term and turning it on its head, by making 'consensual slavery' that both parties want in the M/s. From my view, I don't think using the term slave in these kind of relationships in any way lessens the horror of true slavery, past or present, horrible terms get re-used all the time, but that is just me. I can understand why people feel as they do (I have my own peeves, I am getting really tired of people using the term Nazi to describe overbearing or even fascistic styled people, I am talking about when someone decides they don't like what someone does and likens them to being Nazi, if simply because the horrors don't compare; I don't have the same issue with slavery, though I can understand and respect why people do have problems with it, that is just me). A funny story, I knew a guy many years ago when I belonged to an S/M group, and he practiced Santaria...this was a big, bald young guy with a shaved head, leather jacket with I believe "fuck the world' written on the back of it..anyway, he was attending something his Santeria group (I don't recall what they called it), and talking about his slave and the priest, this really big black guy (as my friend described it), rolling his eyes and shaking his head at my friend as if to say "only you"...*lol*.
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