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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 12:41:21 PM   
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Most English women have orgasms. Perhaps Americans are from a less open culture, sexually than Europeans. However in the UK it is common for women not to come with vaginal intercourse. I can if the man is a healthy BMI. If he si overweight (ie most men these days) then the fat squidgy tummy is in the way so you do not get firm muscle/tummy on clitoris so then it's not possible. However what is sexiest for me is being controlled. It can be more erotic not to be allowed to come and the person whose submissive I am controls that not just on one occasion but more generally.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 12:43:45 PM   
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I think most american women are horribly repressed and carry the stuff too far.  I have found that in Europe and Scandinavia women are really fuckin happy to be women.

I cant speak for the places I have never been.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 12:47:24 PM   
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If he is overweight (ie most men these days) then the fat squidgy tummy is in the way so you do not get firm muscle/tummy on clitoris so then it's not possible.


Blimey. I'd never thought of that one as a problem.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 12:51:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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If he is overweight (ie most men these days) then the fat squidgy tummy is in the way so you do not get firm muscle/tummy on clitoris so then it's not possible.


Blimey. I'd never thought of that one as a problem.


Not a problem you've needed to worry about, I'm guessing.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 12:59:05 PM   
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i'm from the uk and orgasm with no problems from just vaginal penetration. i can also feel him cum with no problems.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:01:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

Not a problem you've needed to worry about, I'm guessing.


That's true. Nobody ever wants to go to bed with me in the first place. I'm too unpleasant.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:02:41 PM   
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Sadly our puritan founders have left us with a horrible legacy, psychologically damaging female sexual repression.
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ORIGINAL: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-orgasmic-mind
90% of the problems that women have in achieving orgasm stem from a psychological nature.


The statistics on the amount of women this effects depends on how one counts, you can get numbers looking like:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.sogc.org/health/health-myths_e.asp
Only about a third of women experience orgasm regularly during intercourse. A third can reach orgasm with intercourse but need extra stimulation. A third never achieve orgasm during intercourse but can by manual and oral stimulation.


or

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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008577/
Female sexual dysfunction (FSD) is a prevalent problem, afflicting approximately 40% of women and there are few treatment options.


Now we as a society have come a long way:
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ORIGINAL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3008577/
The incidence of FSD is alarmingly high, where 30 years ago, 76% of women described some symptom of sexual dysfunction [8]. More recent evidence suggests 43% have some form of sexual difficulty [9].

However looking at the numbers I'd say that there's quite a bit left to go before the war on women is over.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:03:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

Not a problem you've needed to worry about, I'm guessing.


That's true. Nobody ever wants to go to bed with me in the first place. I'm too unpleasant.

Hmmm. You're not leaving the leeches on when you try to bed her, are you?

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:06:07 PM   
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Hmmm. You're not leaving the leeches on when you try to bed her, are you?


God no. Why would I want to compete with leeches for a woman's attention?

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:07:42 PM   
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For the unpleasantry of the vignette, perhaps?

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:11:49 PM   
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I have no idea what these numbers look like for the bdsm community. Our sexuality is even more socially taboo than the norm so there is a cause for there to be greater sexual repression among us. However, we also form sub cultures that often tell the cultural norm to go fuck off and are extremely sex positive which is a cause for there to be less sexual repression among us.

How those factors end up effecting us as a whole I haven't a clue.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:40:39 PM   
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quote:

I think most american women are horribly repressed and carry the stuff too far.  I have found that in Europe and Scandinavia women are really fuckin happy to be women.


I like the last part of that statement and agree completely. Here in the US we women were so busy telling ourselves that men were as useful for us as bicycles were for fish...we have forgotten how to be WOMEN. Add to the "I want to be a man" the whole fundamentalist "it's a sin" thing...and yeah, I think it is harder for us to let go.

And I would never burn my bras - they are all waaaaaaay too pretty

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:40:54 PM   
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I know just as many females in bdsm who say they have not had orgasms or infrequently as I do "vanillas" so imo it has nothing to do with it. There are times when I cannot orgasm usually due to stress or illness or new meds or I just can't seem to get in the right headspace. There were quite a few times over the years where I went years without being able to have an orgasm, usually due to the relationship I was in or due to my depression being so bad that my entire body felt numb and I was walking through life as a zombie.

However, since I've been with Master I can think of only once or twice where I couldn't orgasm and one time was because I was stressed and the other because I was so exhausted that I couldn't orgasm. I think the reason is because he knows what spots to hit, how to use foreplay with me, what turns me on and being with him since I moved here especially, life has been for the most part, stress free. I am able to relax and just enjoy myself now. Lately, Master seems to be particularly randy soooo I'm not gonna complain.

When I hear about women who can't orgasm, if you continue to talk to them, you can usually get to the bottom of why....partner who doesn't turn them on or any men in general because they don't know how to fuck a woman, or she's distrustful of all men and so she can't let herself go or there's some kind of medical issue.

As for multiple orgasms, yes I can have them and usually do if Master allows it. He was just commenting yesterday about the fact that I have 10 orgasms for his every one and that men get shortchanged.

We have found though that I seem to have orgasms where I squirt when he uses the jackrabbit on me or his fingers. Those I get on special occasions or when he's feeling so sadistic that he stops right when I'm on the very edge. Wanna see a slave beg and cry for him to keep going???

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:46:11 PM   
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I could always tell when my ex was having an orgasm... her eyes would roll up into her head.

It's actually why we split up.

It made her look like a fucking zombie.

No. I'm not kidding.



eeerr....I do this. It doesn't creep Master out I don't think or maybe that's the reason why he smothers me with a pillow sometimes.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:53:40 PM   
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>Is this a myth? Do most women just get there eventually? Or is it because BDSMers as a group are more in touch with their sexuality, their turn-ons and their physical responses?

The female orgasm is definitely not a myth, but something that has been greatly oversimplified for centuries in the way people approach the subject. It's not that most women "get there eventually," but the group of women whose problem with orgasm is something mental that they can not overcome. You eventually have to figure out how to orgasm - or have one forced on you - before you can start reliably having more. You have to take note of the certain muscle contractions, pressure buildups, and overall mental to physical stimulation connection. For those that have a mental block such as religion or previous negative sexual experience, the sexual stigma must be removed before your body will allow you to orgasm. However, everyone's problem is not mental. Often, people are limited by physical factors such as not having enough nerve endings or the nerves being too sensitive or undersensitive - orgasms can only happen with an amount of stimulation that feels acceptable to the brain. The physiological development of sexuality as it pertains to orgasm develops separately, though concurrently, with the psychology. People's genetics, diets, and environmental factors influence their sexual physiology more than they're given credit for and some people are literally just not built to orgasm. It's like how some girls can't have squirting orgasms and how some are dry as a desert, they're missing the correct number of glands to secrete fluids from, so it just can't happen no matter how much you capture their psychology.

As for the BDSM scene, things get even more complicated. Anyone actively identifying as into BDSM has clearly identified some of their fetishes, most of which are likely to be deviant. Because this group as a whole isn't as restricted by their mental stigma, they are more often limited by their physiology. This is where we start seeing people whose optimal state for orgasm comes more from the mental stimulation than physical, simply because it actually does have a stronger effect on the sex drive than physical stimulation. Now, this can be either from a weak sense of physical stimulation or possibly even a psychoticly strong fetish that activates those centers, but the point is that there is a lot to consider - most of it readily able to be analyzed if you know what to look for and what questions to ask.

As for getting someone who's never had an orgasm before to do so, try to get them as comfortable as possible, and keep the stimulation only as high as they are comfortable with until their sex drive is going in full force. Then, depending on your partner, push the limit of what they think they can handle (but only slightly) and gradually increase the stimulation until they get further than the last time. High sexual stimulation is very intense to the brain, and cautious/fearful people will immediately reject and stigmatize the intense stimulation. Try talking with your partner about going against what they feel is right for them for a bit to see how they like it once they've stopped fighting it and got a little more used to it.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 1:59:36 PM   
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I just finished reading the rest of the thread and as for masturbation, it does nothing for me. I liken masturbation as trying to tickle yourself. I've tried multiple times to masturbate and it just leaves me bored. Master even had me try to masturbate for him and nothing, nada. I just can't feel anything by myself. I only orgasm when I'm with a man and it doesn't really matter to me if I'm in a relationship or not. I can still orgasm. I just won't have the same emotions involved.


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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 2:12:29 PM   
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I know a ton of women, vanilla or not, who never had an orgasm and I am always shocked.

When you ask, you always find out why.

I always told my friends or anyone who was discussing this topic that you have to first know how to get yourself off, so you know the feeling and the pressure, etc.

I got myself off the first time when I was a teenager by "borrowing" a vibrator. It was magical. After that, I realized, oh that feeling I get when having sex with a man was close to that, so I should probably apply what I did myself with him.

My favorite and foolproof method for multiples is oral sex+vibrating butt plug=peel me off the wall and don't worry about the screams.

If that happens, then any type of penetration will work, otherwise I do not cum from just penetration alone. But, due to the strength of my orgasms, I never worried about that for one minute!

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 2:16:00 PM   
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Trust me girls, not the same planet.   If mens dicks vibrated like a hitachi, we wouldn't have all these nasty threads about oneliners he sent me.  Everything we said would be furkin brilliant to you girls.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 2:17:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I got myself off the first time when I was a teenager by "borrowing" a vibrator. It was magical. After that, I realized, oh that feeling I get when having sex with a man was close to that, so I should probably apply what I did myself with him.


This. A thousand times, this. Female orgasm is mostly controlled by knowing yourself.

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RE: The elusive female orgasm - 2/20/2013 2:24:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Trust me girls, not the same planed.   If mens dicks vibrated like a hitachi, we wouldn't have all these nasty threads about oneliners he sent me.  Everything we said would be furkin brilliant to you girls.



not for me. mine would be non existent then

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