Marini
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Nixon went to China. To split the Communist block. By exporting our jobs. Which is a better idea than tossing missiles back and forth. But which leaves a bunch of unemployed people here in the U.S. Who would be ....difficult... if allowed to starve. So the welfare state is created. Which is a better idea than allowing starving millions to pull the house of cards down around out ears. But which costs money. That has to come from somewhere.
The upshot of this thread seems to be, "Why me? And that might even be fair. But, ending the gravy train, as attractive as the idea might be to the guys with the jobs, is essentially equivalent to telling all those whose jobs were sacrificed for the greater good to go jump in the lake. This would make those folks ...difficult. This should make it plain that removing the solution, welfare, without replacing it with ...oh, I don't know, JOBS... is a prescription for ...is revolution too big a word to use here?
If you want to end the welfare state, come up with a better idea.
That might sound like more of a challenge than it is. You don't have to come up with all the answers at once and you don't have to do it all by yourself. But you do have to at least try to visualize what the World is supposed to be like. Instead of trying to knock down the policy edifice built intentionally to prevent your Countrymen showing up at your house looking for a sandwich.
Is there one thing about the welfare state that is not a policy?
Is it not obvious that a policy of some sort is needed?
Do you know where to get a policy?
Can you describe the policy that would both please you and address the problem intentionally created to solve a much bigger problem we called The Cold War?
I can.
Clean sheet of paper. The Cold War is long over. China is in some ways a bigger threat to the United States now than Nuclear War was during the Nixon years. Fuck China. Tax their products sufficiently that we can work our own jobs again. Suddenly there are millions of jobs. NOW cutting welfare is possible. And there is no reason to stop there. Why should we pay income tax? Why shouldn't Income Tax be paid only by Corporations? Does it really sanctify anything to have Corporations pay people and then have the IRS tax people? Would it not be a lot simpler and more efficient and much, much more FREE to cut out the hundred million middlemen and have the IRS directly bill Monsanto? And why stop at this? Ditto Social Security. And why stop at that? Why not admit that health care is not optional and therefore demonstrably a constitutional right? That would disconnect healthcare from the world of work and put it where it belongs, in the hands of Doctors and the people they treat. Including the Bums. Insurance companies would never again be able to say, "Preexisting Condition" or "Your premium has increased", or "Your policy is cancelled", because there would be one payer and no argument.
What kind of Country would we be living in if we did that?
Why don't we do that?
Great post Frosted Flake.
What kind of Country would we be living in if we cared about people having more opportunities at decent paying jobs?
Putting the focus on creating thousands of good jobs in America?
What a novel idea!
< Message edited by Marini -- 2/25/2013 8:47:54 PM >
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