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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 2/28/2013 2:09:05 PM   
Charles6682


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I've seen about 2,maybe 3 Dommes so far who have said looks are not that important but rather,submission.Those are the kind of Dommes I seek,even if they are in the minority.

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 2/28/2013 2:10:58 PM   
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Just how many REAL subs are on here anyways?From what alot of people say,it seems alot of "male subs" on here are just looking to get thier rocks off and thats it.If that is the case,then perhaps the ratio of male submissives isn't as high as it seems.

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 2/28/2013 2:52:58 PM   
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To me submission is more important than looks, ask Neiphi my main slave right now he is the ugliest mofo I ever did see but he is amazing as a slave as he submits completely

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/1/2013 12:16:31 AM   
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Sure,both can be possible.I am just wondering which is more important?Of course every response is different.But the overall consensus is what I am seeking here.
Here's the deal on that, Charles. What a person gets from you in a casual interaction is not submission. There's no neon sign over your head when people first meet you that lists your service resume, how obedient you are, or any of the stuff that would go with the 'I'm not good looking, but I'm a great submissive' thing that you're trying to work here.

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What happens when aging takes its course?Not everyone is going to be "10" forever?
Again, you are trying to compare relationship measures against first glance assessment. There are men out there who will tell you that their 75 year old wife is the most beautiful woman in the world. In his eyes, she's still the girl that he fell in love with and she became even more beautiful over the years because of all of the ways that she expressed her love over the decades.

To you, she's just an old lady. To him, she's the most gorgeous thing that he ever saw.

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Just how many REAL subs are on here anyways?From what alot of people say,it seems alot of "male subs" on here are just looking to get thier rocks off and thats it.If that is the case,then perhaps the ratio of male submissives isn't as high as it seems.
Considering how many of them that I know personally, I'd say quite a few. Please don't try the 'oh, I'm so much more submissive than the rest' bit because that's nothing more than hot air. Yes, there are a lot of wankers on line, but that percentage drops a great deal in the real world.

Now, you can contend that you are one of the 'good ones' and all of that. When you do, I want you to look at two things. The first of which is that you need to recognize that you typing that on the internet matters just as much as anybody else who says it. (In other words, nothing.) The second is that it's still a graded on the curve scenario. Go try that thing I asked Jeff to give a shot earlier on this thread. There are quite a few male submissives that Dominant women see as both.






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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/1/2013 7:05:18 AM   
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The story about the old people in love makes a good point.It does show that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.I'm not even going to try to compare myself to other subs.I am simply just going to be me.Since its clear the meaning of submissive is different to each person.I just used the term "male subs" in general.I have a clear sense of who I am and what I am seeking.I don't get into the "this vs that" nonsense.I am going to start becoming involved with my local BDSM scene.And not seeking play either.Rather,to attend those workshops.They have one group that is for submissives.I could benefit from that.I want to be a productive member of this community and in society at large.I am sure I will meet the right person when the time is right.I actually have been quite blessed in alot ways.I can't complain.

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/1/2013 7:44:08 AM   
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I'd like to think that a BDSM relationship is possible without the looks. Mine faded long ago but I still love sex, especially rough and I'd love to find a dominant Master who would look beyond the looks.

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/1/2013 11:54:12 AM   
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The last thing I'd call Black Rose is a 'fetish club'. Sorry, that's the old fashioned in Me that says leather organizations are leather lifestyle based, rather than fetish based. There are clubs that are fetish oriented. Literally places to dress up and basically show off outfits.

I think what njlauren might be referring to would be a public BDSM club such as The Woodshed, which wouldn't be too far away from the OP. (That might even be the one that the OP referred to when discussing one that has classes and such.) Most major clubs that I'm familiar with hold some educational events, various times for certain demographics, and/or munch groups.

Since I'm on the subject of munch groups, the majority of groups that I've been associated with over the years do tend to have a play space of some kind. That's usually a space in somebody's home that the group has use of for an evening or some kind of co-op. Up here, we have the minority situation where a space is rented for a community event every couple of months. These are some dedicated folks. They rent the space, spend the entire day setting up the dungeon, we have our community event from 7:00 PM to whenever, and they tear it all down the next day. That's some serious dedication if you ask Me.

Charles, if you did happen to be talking about the Woodshed, I haven't been there personally, but everybody I have ever spoken to who has attended has had good things to say about it. They regularly post in the Upcoming Events section to give you an idea about some of the educational events that they offer.


I would not call black rose or TES fetish groups either, though bd/sm often gets lumped in with fetish, they are two different things in my view (though fetish does get mixed with BD/SM, obviously, someone with a boot fetish with a mistress in thigh high boots, well:).

Some groups might have play space, TES meetings used to be at a variety of places, small theaters, etc they rented out (don't know where they meet now). The key thing to me is being in a place where it is about people into this, who are trying to share with others, as being a good place to try and find someone. Every club is different, ever place is different.....I don't think it hurts to try a variety of approaches, but what worries me is Charles goes to a club, finds the cold shoulder, and assumes it is about him, when it may not be, for the reasons I wrote about.....

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/1/2013 1:01:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

The story about the old people in love makes a good point.It does show that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.I'm not even going to try to compare myself to other subs.I am simply just going to be me.Since its clear the meaning of submissive is different to each person.I just used the term "male subs" in general.I have a clear sense of who I am and what I am seeking.I don't get into the "this vs that" nonsense.I am going to start becoming involved with my local BDSM scene.And not seeking play either.Rather,to attend those workshops.They have one group that is for submissives.I could benefit from that.I want to be a productive member of this community and in society at large.I am sure I will meet the right person when the time is right.I actually have been quite blessed in alot ways.I can't complain.

This is the best post I have seen from you, and I think the most positive one. You are showing signs of self confidence and also realizing that you have a lot going for you, which is important. Getting involved in 'the scene' such as being active in a group, munches, etc, will put you in contact with a lot of people, and it also shows others you have an idea of yourself , what you are looking for, and that is huge. You may find someone in the group, or you may find someone who doesn't even know what a dominant is but it clicks with her and you end up D/s, but what you do in being active will help that;). Someone posted that the BD/SM scene seems less dominated by looks and I will say there is truth to that, based on my own experience, it doesn't seem to matter as much to many people, and among the serious leather people i have known, it isn't that big a deal, whether they were technically 'good looking' or 'plain' (the ones who seemed obsessed with looks didn't last IME).

Can I recommend something else? Being a member/victim of many support and other groups, (you mentioned their being a group for subs), when you start going, spend a lot of time listening and observing rather then talking. I can only speak for myself, but I learned a lot by listening to others, their experiences, saw what people were doing, how they interacted, and it really helped me when I was learning (whose kidding who, still am:). One of the reasons I mention this is because it is really easy to get into these situations where discussions happen and suddenly it becomes this esoteric crap, like arguing 'what a true sub is' or notions of what it means to serve *gag*), and yeah, it is tempting to get into the discussions (see what happens on here and other bd./sm boards). For me it was more about what people were doing and then reflecting that back upon myself, and saying 'yeah, that's what I feel' or 'nope, not going to fly'). If someone tries to drag you into that crap, smile and say "I don't know enough to say much". It is one thing to share feelings, like "I think I am looking for someone to give myself to, where we can explore the domme/sub relationship, find my place", that is cool, but the definition discussions with 'this is what it means to be sub" *blah*:).

In terms of your looks, I think you have to kind of look at yourself and say "how does this appear to others?". For example, I love polo shirts, but in the pic you have up, it is kind of a loose hanging sack kind of polo shirt, it doesn't look good. A men's dress shirt with a pair of nice dark jeans might look better, or if you want to go with polo shirts, get something more stylish, like something Hilfigger or the like put out (not for the label, I could give a shit less, I mean for the styling and material). You are putting your best foot forward, so when you go to a meeting, a beat up pair of jeans, old sneakers and a shapeless shirt isn't going to show much, but a nice fitting pair of black jeans, a more fitted polo shirt or a dress shirt, with a nice pair of shoes/boots might go over a bit better....be groomed, have your hair in line (or shaved), make it seem like you care about yourself:). That tells someone you care about yourself, and that you also want to show others respect by presenting well.

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RE: Is a BDSM relationship possible without the looks - 3/6/2013 8:06:08 AM   
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This all started for me when my girlfriend told me she'd been doing some subversive (I had no idea) anal training and wanted to know if I could fit yet. Next thing you know, it's been a week and we spent the whole weekend in the basement. She was bruised, collared, harnessed, covered in jizz and taking the hardest ass-pounding I'd ever personally experienced. She would talk about sub-space, and if it's anything like the feeling I had WOW! It's like an intense drug, I didn't feel comfortable driving for hours after a serious session with her I was so intoxicated on just sex.

However, most of the time it's just cooking, cleaning, shopping, working, watching netflix and the occasional quickie before bed. Sure, I swat her ass in the kitchen, stuff like that, but it's a very typical family life. You can tell by my pic I'm a pretty average guy.
My girlfriend looks just as normal, only gorgeous:

Okay, so she wanted to be a butterfly for Hallow's Eve; she's still somewhat normal, kind of, maybe, sometimes... heh.
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I'm sure its possible to have a healthy,BDSM type of relationship without having looks be the final issue.But how common are these type of relationships?I've been in a few vanilla relationships before.I never really had too much of an issue finding a girlfriend.Now finding a Domme,thats a whole other ballgame.Please let me explain.

In a vanilla relationship,looks were not the main reason why I would go out with someone.Personality has always been a priority for me.After the sexual fun is done in a vanilla relationship,one can still get along with their partner and maybe watch a movie,talk about life and so on.

Is any of that even possible in a D/S relationship.Sure,there are exceptions but is it the rule?Since it seems alot of D/S relationship seem to be based on sexual energy,after that,then what?

I mention all of this because I realize I do not have the looks or the money of a Brad Pitt.So in all honesty,how far in this lifestyle does that leave me.For every Domme out there,theres probaly 20 "subs/slaves" out there.Since someone like me has to compete with guys who clearly have much better looks and much more money than I do,the fact is someone like me can't compete with that.

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