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If Hitler himself is reincarnated as president then he must be stopped by whatever means available

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How can anyone who puts innocents in danger be a hero?

You really can't come up with an answer to that question. OK here... I'll give you the breadcrumbs.

Start with the assumption that the US is doing some bad, bad things in the world... including to it's own citizens.
In point of fact, go with the idea that the US is per-Nazi germany... poised on the cusp.
Now imagine someone saying "I need to expose this at ANY cost."

Granted, I know you don't agree with the starting premise. But if you did would the rest of the reasoning make sense to you then?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
History won't give a flying fuck about Bradly Manning.

Very unlikely. At the very least because, according to many, his actions helped to kick off the Arab Spring.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Here's something you can try in about 10 years. Just start asking random strangers about what the Arab Spring or Bradly Manning meant to them. I believe the most common responses your going to get will be "Oh, do you mean that thing in Saudi Arabia?" and "Bradly who?".

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
History won't give a flying fuck about Bradly Manning.

Very unlikely. At the very least because, according to many, his actions helped to kick off the Arab Spring.

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Get a bit of perspective people!

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History won't give a flying fuck about Bradly Manning.

Very unlikely. At the very least because, according to many, his actions helped to kick off the Arab Spring.

On the other hand, many people didn't give a shit about the Arab Spring when it was happening and care even less about it now. Kind of like the Occupy Movement, it will eventually become a teeny tiny footnote in history. The vast majority of protests that were set off by the Arab Spring changed nothing and therefore no one cares about the fact that the Arab Spring started protests in over 80 countries. It isn't worth wasting the effort to remember the details.

Here's something you can try in about 10 years. Just start asking random strangers about what the Arab Spring or Bradly Manning meant to them. I believe the most common responses your going to get will be "Oh, do you mean that thing in Saudi Arabia?" and "Bradly who?".

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: hlen5

It is not for a mixed up kid to decide to betray his oath and deliver classified docs to anyone. I don't care what his reasoning is.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"Manning admitted sending hundreds of thousands of Iraq and Afghanistan battlefield reports, State Department diplomatic cables, other classified records and two battlefield video clips to WikiLeaks in 2009 and 2010. WikiLeaks posted some of the material, embarrassing the U.S. and its allies.

He said he was disturbed by the conduct of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the way American troops treated the populace. He said he did not believe the release of the information would harm the U.S."



: http://www.10news.com/news/u-s-world/bradley-manning-pleads-guilty-to-leaking-documents-to-wikileaks02282013#sthash.MuWJ7kFe.dpuf




That`s a bunch of shit.


The guy did a massive document drop with more info than he could have comprehend.

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Our enemies are able to sift,decipher and sort through that info/intel..... comparing it with their`s/other enemy`s,etc. to our detriment.

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With the right analysts,our troops,their positions,methods and tactics can very well be exposed.

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All the "abuses" he claimed to have wanted to expose were pretty much all in the news already.

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And Jesus.......giving him a metal is what bin-laden would do.....

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

In my army training, I was told I following an order that is unlawful is a crime under the UCMJ. I asked the instructer what if I am told to put civilians in a pit and shoot them. The instructer stated it is military policy that you obey all order give to you. If you think it is unlawful, obey and afterwards report it.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

Take the treasonous little punk to his trial, then hang him by the neck until he is dead. He had no idea what all he had,

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and all this "higher duty" shit is just a load of crap. There are plenty of people in this world who would embrace Pol Pot, if it meant an opportunity to get a cheap shot in at the US military.

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Tell you what. We'll let him wear a dress to the gallows, if that will help the handwringers feel better about it, and I won't get too concerned about what specific convictions are read, before they drop him

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

According to the law, Manning committed an act of treason.

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Anyone of the opinion that he was a hero is certainly entitled to believe that. It's a fine opinion even if it has no basis in fact. I'm pretty sure that if you rely on history to prove that your opinion is the correct assessment then you will be disappointed. History won't give a flying fuck about Bradly Manning.

-SD-

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Here is something to consider as well

Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified with "Tokyo Rose" convicted 1949. Subsequently pardoned by President Gerald Ford.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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But if you did would the rest of the reasoning make sense to you then?

No... there is no excuse in indiscriminately putting my innocent son or daughter in mortal danger

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I don't care if Hitler himself was reincarnated as President of the united States there was no excuse for treason and divulging information that put fellow citizens and soldiers, just as patriotic as he, in danger. There was and is a better way.

Butch

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Anyone who doesn't believe what Pvt Manning did rises to the level of treason is themselves guilty of treason.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
To best of my knowledge, there isn't a single documented case of any one, anywhere suffering hurt or injury because of Manning's actions (except Manning himself, who has been incarcerated under conditions that arguably amount to torture while awaiting court-martial). OTOH, several thousand Americans and hundreds, if not thousands, of Allied soldiers lost their lives, and many thousands more were severely injured as a result of the invasion of Iraq. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of completely innocent Iraqi civilians killed or severely injured during the Iraq fiasco .....

As we all know, the invasion of Iraq was initiated on the basis of claims about alleged Iraqi WMDs that turned out to be totally false, and were totally false at the time they were made. With the benefit of hindsight, we can reasonably infer that, had there been a Bradley Manning around to alert the US public to the lies and very slanted "intelligence" (?) that Bush et al fed out to garner support for their insane invasion of Iraq, that entire fiasco might have been averted.

If Manning's prosecution for alleged 'treason' is being justified on the (dubious) basis that he allegedly endangered "innocents", then the very real crimes of Bush Cheney et al deserve immediate prosecution as they not only endangered innocents but actually caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents (and indeed all deaths subsequent to the invasion of Iraq.)

Get a bit of perspective people!

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Here is something to consider as well

Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified with "Tokyo Rose" convicted 1949. Subsequently pardoned by President Gerald Ford.

Perhaps that is because we now know that she was a spy for the allies.