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RE: treason? - 3/6/2013 3:54:03 PM   
Politesub53


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I think Manning caused less casualties than those who sent troops into Iraq on a clear pretence. More were radicalised by allied action there, in my view


Not the same...the so called clear pretense is only so in hindsight... But I agree at the least there was incompetence on Bush's part. But even if you are right one crime does not justify another.

Butch



Not so, even according to the CIA. the told Bush the evidence of Yellow Cake wasnt wholly reliable. Bush Blair, Cheney and others didnt want to hear that and pushed their own view. I am really unsure why some are still convinced this isnt true as it is clearly documented in the public domain.

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RE: treason? - 3/6/2013 4:24:34 PM   
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I am sure not going to defend Bush...but remember the CIA and others said the documents were unreliable... but the British and three European intelligence services said there were negotiations over yellow cake with Iraq as well as other countries.

Bush should not have gone to war until he was absolutely sure...but we know the rest of the story.

All of the above said... it means nothing when it comes to Manning.

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RE: treason? - 3/6/2013 11:32:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am sure not going to defend Bush...but remember the CIA and others said the documents were unreliable... but the British and three European intelligence services said there were negotiations over yellow cake with Iraq as well as other countries.

Bush should not have gone to war until he was absolutely sure...but we know the rest of the story.

All of the above said... it means nothing when it comes to Manning.

Butch


As I have stated before the orginal report about Iraq attempting to buy yellow cake came from the Italian Intelligence, those reports were found to be forgeries

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RE: treason? - 3/7/2013 12:48:39 AM   
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How about showing the link to all this. All I found was that she was accused of being a spy against the US


Heh. Did you click past the first page of results? Or actually read any of them?

For those who may not know the truth, Iva Toguri d’Aquino was a patriotic American who risked her life for our guys.

One of the twentieth-century’s most publicized criminal prosecutions was the 1949 trial of an innocent woman for treasonous conduct during WWII radio broadcasts from Japan. That woman was publicly described as ‘Tokyo Rose.’ By deliberately presenting perjured testimony, concealing exonerating documents and openly lying in court, her prosecutors succeeded in publicly transforming a woman who should have been hailed as a national heroine, into a convicted felon and a figure of public scorn...

In the summer of 1941, Iva traveled to Japan to be the familiy’s representative at the expected death of her ill mother’s only living sister... As relations rapidly deteriorated between the governments of Japan and the U.S., Iva made hasty arrangement in late November 1941 to return to the U.S. However, when she attempted to board a California bound ship on December 2, 1941, she wasn’t permitted to do so because the Certificate of Identification provided by the State Department wasn’t considered proof of her U.S. citizenship. Iva found herself trapped in Japan when Pearl Harbor was attacked five days later.

In March 1943, the Japanese conscripted captured Australian radio personality Major Charles Hughes Cousens to start the Zero Hour program on Radio Tokyo. Broadcast in English from 6pm to 7:15pm everyday but Sunday, the Japanese intended it as a propaganda tool to undermine the morale of allied troops in the Pacific. However, Major Cousens planned to subvert the Zero Hour by using the program as a way to boost allied troop morale under the noses of the Japanese.

Prisoners of war U.S. Army Captain Wallace Ince and Filipino Lieutenant Norman Reyes, were also conscripted to work on the Zero Hour with Cousens. The three were able to take over writing the show’s scripts by feigning difficulty understanding the copy written by Radio Tokyo’s writers. Once they began writing their broadcasts, Cousens, Ince and Reyes were able to slip double-entendres, innuendos and sarcastic references past censors into their broadcasts.

Iva gained the trust of the Zero Hour broadcast crew by smuggling food and medicine to them and other POWs. She was also the only Japanese-American working at Radio Tokyo who had not renounced her U.S. citizenship. Several months after the Zero Hour went on the air Cousens’ Japanese bosses told him to add a woman broadcaster. Suspecting all the English speaking women at Radio Tokyo were Kempeitai spies except for Iva, Cousens suggested Iva for the job and his Japanese superior agreed...

U.S. military personnel also credited Iva with slipping serious things into her broadcasts like air raid warnings in the guise of bragging about Japanese military superiority. After the war a member of a B-24 Squadron wrote that she made comments such as:
    "Hi, boys, this is your old friend, Orphan Annie. I've got some swell records just in from the states. You'd better listen to them while you can, because late tonight our flyers are coming over to bomb the 43rd group when you are all asleep. So listen while you are still alive."
In describing the warnings he credited Iva with broadcasting on her program, that same serviceman wrote: “Almost without fail, the Jap bombers would come over. She was a better air raid system than our own.”


It's worth reading all of it. If the Japanese censors hadn't fallen for her flim-flam, she would have been shot.

Full Story Here

K.


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RE: treason? - 3/7/2013 4:17:17 AM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am sure not going to defend Bush...but remember the CIA and others said the documents were unreliable... but the British and three European intelligence services said there were negotiations over yellow cake with Iraq as well as other countries.

Bush should not have gone to war until he was absolutely sure...but we know the rest of the story.

All of the above said... it means nothing when it comes to Manning.

Butch


There were no British negotiations that I am aware of.

You havent answered my point about books though Butch. more operational detail is included in auto bigraphies than Manning ever leaked. I agree Manning was in the wrong but lets have some perspective here.

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