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As for my "bullshit question" May I assume you don't have common sense as you have twice refused to answer it?
Again, do major league teams draft players based on how much money their ancestors made or is your assumption that were part of the "oligarchy" so much asswipe?

So your position is that the majority of the people in venezuea love chavez and the moronic assholes whom you host are members of the minority who used to run that country?
How does the above staement imply that your "boyz"are not talented atheletes?

No, once again, my position is that draft order has nothing to do with whether someone or there ancestors is or were part of a 'class'. Therefore, due to the fact that it was a "minority" running the country, the possibility that their ancestors were part of that is vanishingly small and your statement is utter illiterate asswipe.

My statement accuately reflects the ignorance of your post.

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Once again, my position is that people don't vote for someone because they "Love" someone and only a moron would believe that they do.

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how ignorant,ill founded or asinine it may be.

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May I assume that you believe the reason Obama won last November is because you believe a majority of the people in the US love him?

You may assume what you wish but obama won in november because the electoral college appointed him...but then you knew that.

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May I assume that you believe that the reason Bush beat Gore was that a majority of the people in the US love him and the rest were "moronic assholes"?

You may assume wha you choose but that fiasco was discussed throughly here on the boards and there was no love found on either side.

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

Where does Taiwan fit?

They don't have a large lobbying group of exiles in the US that economically and culturally controls a large chunk of Florida and feeds money to congress.

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

Where does Taiwan fit?

They don't have a large lobbying group of exiles in the US that economically and culturally controls a large chunk of Florida and feeds money to congress.

They do have a large lobbying group that is clearly more powerful than that of the cubans...consider how much money we pump into taiwan in response to all of that lobbying.

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Funny, in an ugly kinda way....that there`s no narrative of political repression coming out of Cuba but that our cons know the Chinese communists do in fact repress and punish their people......but embrace them anyway with open hearts and open wallets(Mittens)in spite of that.


Why is that?


Why the double standard?

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Probably several reasons. One is, the U.S. leadership chose the path of Triangular Diplomacy since the relationship between the Soviet Union and China had deteriorated and there was an opportunity to split the Communist World. The Soviets grew to be more afraid of China than of the U.S., so by developing a friendlier relationship with Communist China, our leadership thought they could effectively counter Soviet expansionism.

What do you mean by soviet expansionism?

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That may be where the double standard originated, although why it continued even after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union - that seems a bit mystifying.

Any idea why the berlin wall was built in the first place?

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China is clearly bigger than Cuba, so maybe that has something to do with the double-standard.

I also think that, historically, the U.S. has had a different perception of nations within our own hemisphere versus nations in the other hemisphere. Our hegemony over the Western Hemisphere had been firmly established before we started to make inroads in spreading our hegemony into the Eastern Hemisphere.

War with the "barbary priates" circa 1804 would be the beginning of our expansionism outside of the western hemisphere.

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We had the Monroe Doctrine in our own region, yet we favored the Open China policy over in that country. It was just after the Spanish-American War, in which Cuba figured prominently, as we "liberated" that country from Spanish rule, recognized their independence,

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Please acquaint yourself with the platt ammendment...that document makes it quite clear that cuba is a client of the u.s. and not a soverign naton.

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while keeping Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines. Why we needed those territories is also a bit mystifying, although considering the annexations we made as a result of that war, it's rather curious that we didn't choose to keep Cuba, too.

We did but in a bit of a sureptitious fashion (platt ammendment).

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Another possible reason for the double-standard is that with Cuba, there seems to be something personal about it. While this is just idle speculation on my part, with heavy Mob influence in Cuba being kicked out so suddenly, it could be that some very highly-placed individuals in the U.S. might have a very strong grudge against Castro. The idea that the Mob never forgets and never forgives might be in play here. The fact that Cuban cigars are still banned - even when we were selling wheat to the Soviets - that sounds like something personal to me, as if the powers that be are really, really pissed off at Cuba for reasons that go beyond geopolitical rivalries.

That is as good of an excuse as any I have heard.

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I don't think we had that kind of relationship with China. When the Chinese Communist Revolution was taking place, we considered both factions to be "allies," as it was just after World War II, when the Chinese Communists and Chinese Nationalists were both fighting the Japanese. I think that General Marshall tried to mediate between the two sides, but ended up disgusted with both. (We had already knocked heads with the Chinese Nationalists previously, so they were not really "puppets" of the US - not like Cuba's pre-revolutionary government was.) Truman was more focused on Europe at the time and didn't seem to be able to formulate much of a coherent policy in East Asia (or in the Middle East for that matter).

The truman doctrin took us directly to korea and viet nam.

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In contrast, in our region, our policy had already been (more or less) set in the previous century. While our expansionist foray into Canada fell flat, we saw the collapsing Spanish Empire to our south as an opportunity for expansion. We grabbed Florida, and then a huge chunk of Mexico and firmly established a hegemonic relationship throughout the rest of Latin America after Spain was booted out completely from the Americas. Because of this, countries like Cuba and Venezuela have had more long-term experience in dealing with "Yankee imperialism" than the Chinese ever did.

I it possible that our "gunboat diplomacy" didn't work with red china because they would have kicked our asses

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We may be able to deal with China on a more reasonable level, since there's not as much bad blood as there has been with our neighbors to the south.

I would disagree...we have been poking our finger in china's eye pretty regularly...my opinion is that they are just as pissed as our latin neighbors and will extract their "pound of flesh" when they have the opportunity.









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That wasn't even decent tapdancing. Just moronic drivel and refusal to answer legitimate questions when you got caught red handed making untrue, illogical and racist statements.

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I'll ask again. "May I assume that you believe that the reason Bush beat Gore was that a majority of the people in the US love him and the rest were "moronic assholes"?"

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

Where does Taiwan fit?

They don't have a large lobbying group of exiles in the US that economically and culturally controls a large chunk of Florida and feeds money to congress.

They do have a large lobbying group that is clearly more powerful than that of the cubans...consider how much money we pump into taiwan in response to all of that lobbying.

Back up your moronic drivel by naming them and giving a link.

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Chavez was a socialist who took the immense wealth generated by Venzuela's oil industry and used it to improve the lot of the lower classes. Of course the US media has to tell lies about the man.

During his time in office the poverty rate declined by nearly half. He also directed a major push to make sure every adult Venezuelan was literate.

BTW he gave poor americans fuel oil to heat their homes.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/03/06/with-chavez-dead-who-will-give-americans-free-heating-oil/

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Funny, in an ugly kinda way....that there`s no narrative of political repression coming out of Cuba

CUBA: Some Acts of Political Repression in June 2012


After the Black Spring, Cuba's new repression

Cuba continues political repression, rights violations under Raul Castro: report

Cuban rights abuses, jailings up in new repressive wave


That last one... "HAVANA — Political arrests in Cuba jumped to more than 6,600 in 2012, the highest in decades as authorities shifted their strategy for dealing with growing civic resistance"

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Would you also like a link to validate that the sun will rise in the east.
Do you really think that taiwan does not lobby the u.s. govt?

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Last I heard cuba was socialist not comunist.
You do not seem to have a very good grasp on how cuba works.

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to carry forward the triumphant Revolution of the Moncada and the Granma, of the Sierra and of Girón under the leadership of Fidel Castro, which, sustained by the closest unity of all revolutionary forces and of the people, won full national independence, established the revolutionary power, carried out democratic changes, started the construction of socialism and, under the direction of the Communist Party, continues said construction with the objective of building a communist society;

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The Communist Party of Cuba, Martian and of Marxist-Leninist, the organized vanguard of
the Cuban nation, is the superior leading force of the society and the State, organizing and
guiding the common efforts aimed at the highest goals of the construction of socialism and
advancement toward the communist society.

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Chavez' influence spread well beyond the borders of his native Venezuela too.

It certainly was noticed by the ordinary people of South American countries. During Chavez' ascendancy, almost every South American country elected leftist Govts. While there are a myriad of local and other factors involved in this shift to the left in South America, Chavez' successful championing of the downtrodden and poor was undoubtedly a factor in this shift.

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Would you also like a link to validate that the sun will rise in the east.
Do you really think that taiwan does not lobby the u.s. govt?

No, I want you to back up your moronic post.
Anyone who passed 3rd grade civics knows the difference between lobbying and diplomacy.

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Would you also like a link to validate that the sun will rise in the east.
Do you really think that taiwan does not lobby the u.s. govt?

No, I want you to back up your moronic post.
Anyone who passed 3rd grade civics knows the difference between lobbying and diplomacy.

Taiwan lobbys most everyone, worldwide, if you want to style it as diplomacy or not. Even Costa Rica gets their attention.

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Last I heard cuba was socialist not comunist.
You do not seem to have a very good grasp on how cuba works.

Please.

The Cuban Constitution states the nation is "guided by the ideas of José Martí and the political and social ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin." and is enacted

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to carry forward the triumphant Revolution of the Moncada and the Granma, of the Sierra and of Girón under the leadership of Fidel Castro, which, sustained by the closest unity of all revolutionary forces and of the people, won full national independence, established the revolutionary power, carried out democratic changes, started the construction of socialism and, under the direction of the Communist Party, continues said construction with the objective of building a communist society;

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The Communist Party of Cuba, Martian and of Marxist-Leninist, the organized vanguard of
the Cuban nation, is the superior leading force of the society and the State, organizing and
guiding the common efforts aimed at the highest goals of the construction of socialism and
advancement toward the communist society.

English translation of Cuban Constitution

And the Communist party of Cuba is quite paternal.

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Most countries have "Diplomatic Relations" with most others.
That is done thru the Dept of State and isn't lobbying.
Lobbying is private citizens and corporations speaking to congresspeeps concerning pending (or what they wish to be pending) legislation.

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Two days after Christmas last year, Rep. Bill Owens (D-N.Y.) and his wife, Jane, boarded a first-class flight to Taiwan for a four-day tour of the island. Owens and his wife roomed at $500-a-night luxury hotels and enjoyed fine meals between meetings with Taiwanese officials and a day trip to Taipei’s famed National Palace Museum.

The Chinese Culture University in Taiwan had ostensibly invited the congressman and his wife “to promote international cultural exchange.” In fact, lobbyists for Taiwan’s government had organized the trip. Congressional ethics rules prohibit members from participating in most trips arranged by lobbyists.

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Would you also like a link to validate that the sun will rise in the east.
Do you really think that taiwan does not lobby the u.s. govt?

No, I want you to back up your moronic post.
Anyone who passed 3rd grade civics knows the difference between lobbying and diplomacy.

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The u.s. is governed by a democrat but the u.s. is a republic not a democracy.
Cuba is governed by the communist party but they are a socialist country.
There are a significant number of books that will give you a detailed explanation of the diferences between governmental systems and economic systems.

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The u.s. is governed by a democrat but the u.s. is a republic not a democracy.
Cuba is governed by the communist party but they are a socialist country.
There are a significant number of books that will give you a detailed explanation of the diferences between governmental systems and economic systems.

Nobody questions that socialism is a necessary ingredient of a communist economic and social system.

But what else, in your opinion, needs to be done by the Communist Party of Cuba to fully implement the Cuban Constitutional goal of creating the Marxist-Leninist communist state?