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i've been to Venezuela many times & it's a society neatly divided along socioeonomical lines: richs hate Cavez, poors adore him &... guess what... there are many more poors! that's why he wins every election by a landslide... it would be so nice if Americans could a little less self-centered &, just for a moment, see the world as others see it... that would help you to respect a little more other peoples' choices

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

Where does Taiwan fit?

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One of their worst dips came when the ruskies pulled out.


IMHO,if we didn`t treat them like lepers,we would be much further along.

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One of their worst dips came when the ruskies pulled out.


IMHO,if we didn`t treat them like lepers,we would be much further along.

Well.... when the politically open and free market capitalist Cuba emerges at the of this decade I am sure we will get along far better

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One of their worst dips came when the ruskies pulled out.


IMHO,if we didn`t treat them like lepers,we would be much further along.

Well.... when the politically open and free market capitalist Cuba emerges at the of this decade I am sure we will get along far better

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One of their worst dips came when the ruskies pulled out.


IMHO,if we didn`t treat them like lepers,we would be much further along.

Well.... when the politically open and free market capitalist Cuba emerges at the of this decade I am sure we will get along far better

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In the case of Cuba, it will be more the integration with the rest of the Latin Americas which opens them up. The Cubans are highly educated, especially medically, and as their medical groups, engineering teams, science missions, and the like are used as trade around the region, and the world as they dispense their skills, they also are receiving an education. Much like China, this trade becomes cultural and political.

The Cubans have been like a large poor family whose leaders(parents) none the less have made the best of their land, highly educated all they can, and looked to the health and basic needs of their people. But the time of being treated as children is drawing to an end.

You think castro treats the cuban people like children?

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The flaw in communism is in that it can not create its stated goal of a class free society, and people tire of being relegated to whatever occupational, social, economic, and political roles and ranking the local communist party leadership thinks their political reliability and party educational status should allow them to have.

Last I heard cuba was socialist not comunist.
You do not seem to have a very good grasp on how cuba works.

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One can study Marx and Lenin for years and not be able to win at the Olympics or become a world class chef, let alone run a successful farm or business.

One can study capitalism for years and not be win at the olympics or become a world class chef, let alone run a successful farm or business...truisms are truisms.

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So much like the CCP in China, the communist party in Cuban will need to bend to this reality, and once they do, they will find they must bend further to get better results.

Perhaps you might want to check on the results they have achieved in the past fifty plus years.

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The difference between China and Cuba is there is no Chinese American National Foundation that considers themselves a "Government in exile" and feeds shitloads of money to Republican candidates to maintain the embargo.

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Castro has kept the Cuban people from freedom and liberty for almost fifty-five years. Batista was dictator for seven.

Most of the Cuban people consider themselves better off under Castro. I doubt many think the idea of once again becoming the Mobs playgroud is a desirable goal.

Most of the Cubans alive on the Island were not born or children but... in any case, Why is the Cuban defection rate so high?

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Why are every day Cubans not allowed free travel or free speech?

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Most Cubans know no other way but the totalitarian government of Castro. The Cuban's who have escaped don't seem to share the same rosy picture you do.

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Most Cubans aren't trying to flee. However it is not hard to compare the situation today and in 1959 and come to believe Castro has improved the lot of the average Cuban, just compare infant mortality rates for one (39 per capita in 59 and 7.1 per capita in 2000).

Castro could not have survived in office this long without popular support.

Wouldn't it be reasonable to think that almost every stable country on the planet would show a similar trend from 1959 to 2000 regardless of the political situation?

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So your position is that the majority of the people in venezuea love chavez and the moronic assholes whom you host are members of the minority who used to run that country?

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May I assume that your position is that anyone who disagreed with Chavez must belong to a certain 'minority group"?

Yes you may.

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I thought racist posts weren't allowed.

Most who speak english fluently are aware that the use of the word minority is not relegated to ethnicity alone.


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Well...he did win an election that was cleaner than the ones we hold.So he had to have been liked be somebody.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=344531&CategoryId=10717
So we arrest the opposition and confiscate their property?

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As for my "bullshit question" May I assume you don't have common sense as you have twice refused to answer it?
Again, do major league teams draft players based on how much money their ancestors made or is your assumption that were part of the "oligarchy" so much asswipe?

So your position is that the majority of the people in venezuea love chavez and the moronic assholes whom you host are members of the minority who used to run that country?
How does the above staement imply that your "boyz"are not talented atheletes?

No, once again, my position is that draft order has nothing to do with whether someone or there ancestors is or were part of a 'class'. Therefore, due to the fact that it was a "minority" running the country, the possibility that their ancestors were part of that is vanishingly small and your statement is utter illiterate asswipe.

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Once again, my position is that people don't vote for someone because they "Love" someone and only a moron would believe that they do.

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May I assume that you believe the reason Obama won last November is because you believe a majority of the people in the US love him?

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May I assume that you believe that the reason Bush beat Gore was that a majority of the people in the US love him and the rest were "moronic assholes"?

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If you mean oligarchy, say oligarchy. You said "minority".

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To not assume that the word 'minority' has to do with race is beyond stupid

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Once again, your comprehension of language is lacking.
If you mean a word, say it. If you use words that don;t mean what you say, people will assume you aren't quite up to par in the vocabulary department.

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Too bad he died, he was an example of a far left who kills business though. Go Obama!

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Yeah but nothing like the grand tourist and trade relationship The United States will have with Free Market Cuba a year or two after El Jefe kicks the bucket.

If there is any justice in the universe, and I'm not sure there is, then yes, there should be a hell of a boost to our relations when that day comes. Hell, it should happen anyway, Castro or not.

We should have been traveling to Cuba 30 years ago.

If for no other reason than to show them there are alternatives.

Ours may not ultimately be the best of available choices but...there are alternatives.

For those who are unaware of history it was our alternative that they threw out.

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Exactly who are the "They"?

The cuban people led by castro.

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Exactly how long do you think Castro would have lasted if he hadn't denied the Cuban People of Liberty and Freedom?

He gave them guns and ammo.
They have more freedom now than at any time in their history.

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Castro has kept the Cuban people from freedom and liberty for almost fifty-five years. Batista was dictator for seven.

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It`s poverty......like the "defections" from Haiti....that drives most of it.

It's not poverty that drives Cuban rafters.

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It's certainly not poverty that drives the athlete defectors as they're the elite.

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It wasn't poverty that sent the 125,000 Marielitos to miami in 1980.

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I lived in miami for 18 years.

Maybe you should post about things you know fuckall about.