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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 3:42:52 PM   
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In this country, white people are the majority of racist individuals.

Would you agree that is in and of itself a racist statement?


I would, but I would also add remarkably dumb. Where in the bloody hell would you find those kind of statistics? You can find crime, but you can't know what is in a person's mind.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 4:11:40 PM   
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Yes, as with any issue on which the PPLs find themselves on the wrong side, it must be racism. I'm amazed at how many of your statements can be turned around and work the other way, as well.

I'm also amazed at how you presuppose that white people are the major racists in the world. If I wanted to do the research, I could come up with dozens of examples of black people attacking white people simple because the white people are white. Off the top of my head, the truck driver during the riots in the aftermath of the Rodney King Verdict comes to mind. Of course, "only white people can be racist" is a steaming pile of bullshit that needs to be obliterated as much as any statement that is as offensive, going the other way.

The only way we're going to end racism is to end all of it; not to "sanction" it when directed at the long-ago perpetrators because it's "allowed".



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Considering how obsessed our rightie-whities are with this case.....it would be kinda ignorant not to take that into consideration.

And no, we aren`t going to start racism "bean-counting" or have our eternally victimized republicans keeping score ....... cus they`ll never, never stop crying....


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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 4:16:04 PM   
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white people are the major racists in the world... I don't think half the people on this forum understand how frightening it is to be walking down a dark street, and having someone of privilege following you

Jesse Jackson does.

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved....

~Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993)

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 4:31:57 PM   
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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 4:33:26 PM   
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Do you think people will forget how Zimmerman and his wife lied about all that money because this girl lied about being too fucking overwhelmed to go to the funeral of her boyfriend who she heard get murdered?

I don't. See, there's the whole issue of CONTEXT. And the CONTEXT of lying about your finances DURING YOUR TRIAL and sitting there while your lawyer lies for you and not correct him, really puts her being too freaked out to go to the funeral in the proper light.


The jury won't be allowed to consider the finances issue. It's simply not relevant to the determination of what happened that night, and won't be introduced at trial.

And before you tell me that the girl lying while she was under oath (assuming the article has the factual circumstances correct) isn't relevant, either, it actually is. It goes to the credibility of the rest of her story. Remember, a jury doesn't have to believe anything that a witness says, just because that witness is sworn to tell the truth. If one side can show that she has a history of committing perjury, there's a big reason for the jury to not believe her. And her testimony is relevant to figuring out what actually happened that night.

Why would Zimmerman's finances not be relevant? Well, there's the simple fact that it could have been a miscommunication, and there's no evidence that he actively sought to mislead the court.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 4:42:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look, everyone is certainly allowed to FEEL however they want about other groups. I hate morons, myself, and religious morons particularly.

The thing is, although I might HATE a particular group, that's not relevant until I **DO** something. Like assume a kid walking home from the 7-11 is a criminal, and then provoke them, and then when you've provoked them to defend themselves, murder them.

THAT is when your racism crosses the line. When you let your racism affect your judgement so badly you end up murdering a kid.

Zimmerman fucked up when he saw the black kid as a Bad Guy. Why did he? Who cares. He made the wrong call, and now he's going to have to live with it.

I certainly hope he isn't murdered in prison. I hear it's quite dangerous there.



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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 5:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the moment he fired the gun, George was on the ground, having taken a broken nose, with swelling and bleeding on multiple parts of his head, while trying to get away for nearly a minute. It seems more that he used the gun as a last resort out of fear of imminent death, and anyone in that position would have good reason to have that fear.

With due respect Mr, Raiikun, I would ask how you came by the knowledge that allows you to know that it unfolded the way you claim but I have read enough fox news bullshit to know it when I see it. You should view the video of this punk being led into the jail. He is bald so there are no injuries hidden by hair. You can see his entire head, face and shirt and there is no visible blood or injury of any kind.

This indicates to me that Zimmerman is a big fat fucking liar. I think the truth is most likely that George is a punk-ass bully emboldened by his gun and without a gun this tragedy does not happen because the coward would not have initiated the confrontation. I also think that stand your ground should not apply. No one should be allowed to start the fight and use a gun to prevent the provoked from kicking his punk ass. I'd bet the house that is exactly what happened here.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 5:34:23 PM   
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Correcting that individual that George isn't white is fitting.


I am not white.

Would be hard pressed to see I am not white by looking at me.

I can pass for white easily.

Unless I told you I was not white, you would never know.

Something to think about.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 6:24:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ungovernable

At the moment he fired the gun, George was on the ground, having taken a broken nose, with swelling and bleeding on multiple parts of his head, while trying to get away for nearly a minute. It seems more that he used the gun as a last resort out of fear of imminent death, and anyone in that position would have good reason to have that fear.

With due respect Mr, Raiikun, I would ask how you came by the knowledge that allows you to know that it unfolded the way you claim but I have read enough fox news bullshit to know it when I see it. You should view the video of this punk being led into the jail. He is bald so there are no injuries hidden by hair. You can see his entire head, face and shirt and there is no visible blood or injury of any kind.

This indicates to me that Zimmerman is a big fat fucking liar. I think the truth is most likely that George is a punk-ass bully emboldened by his gun and without a gun this tragedy does not happen because the coward would not have initiated the confrontation. I also think that stand your ground should not apply. No one should be allowed to start the fight and use a gun to prevent the provoked from kicking his punk ass. I'd bet the house that is exactly what happened here.

And NBC admitted to doctoring the video and the 911 transcript. (before you go bananas newsweek did the same thing with O J's picture on their cover)

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 6:27:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Notsweet


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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In this country, white people are the majority of racist individuals.

Would you agree that is in and of itself a racist statement?


I would, but I would also add remarkably dumb. Where in the bloody hell would you find those kind of statistics? You can find crime, but you can't know what is in a person's mind.


Yes very dumb because:
In this country the majority are white therefore it stands to reason that the majority of racists are white but this statement is missleading as if there are equal numbers of black,hispanic, and white people but most of the racists are white.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 6:36:29 PM   
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"Doctoring", implies knowingly committing a fraud(like fake WMDs in Iraq).


Not sure george`ll get very far defending his own known lies, by bringing up a news gaffe.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 6:47:06 PM   
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At the moment he fired the gun, George was on the ground, having taken a broken nose, with swelling and bleeding on multiple parts of his head, while trying to get away for nearly a minute. It seems more that he used the gun as a last resort out of fear of imminent death, and anyone in that position would have good reason to have that fear.

With due respect Mr, Raiikun, I would ask how you came by the knowledge that allows you to know that it unfolded the way you claim but I have read enough fox news bullshit to know it when I see it. You should view the video of this punk being led into the jail. He is bald so there are no injuries hidden by hair. You can see his entire head, face and shirt and there is no visible blood or injury of any kind.

This indicates to me that Zimmerman is a big fat fucking liar. I think the truth is most likely that George is a punk-ass bully emboldened by his gun and without a gun this tragedy does not happen because the coward would not have initiated the confrontation. I also think that stand your ground should not apply. No one should be allowed to start the fight and use a gun to prevent the provoked from kicking his punk ass. I'd bet the house that is exactly what happened here.

And NBC admitted to doctoring the video and the 911 transcript. (before you go bananas newsweek did the same thing with O J's picture on their cover)

Wow, this thread is all over the place...In trying to find a connection between OJ and Zim, there's really not a lot at this point. There's the guy who I believe caused this to happen in a case that will likely come down to a plea bargain to man-slaughter and there's the double murder who is OJ. He's an acquitted double murder and a double murderer nonetheless, but not really relevant here. I don't see how they can let "stand your ground" protect him from this ugly act.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 7:02:18 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		To give some context......we`ve already discussed to death every possible nuance and part of this story.......times 10 over.


Quite a few threads locked and or killed too....


There are also a whole lotta folks who see this as their own political football.......and not what it really is....a horrible tragedy.


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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 7:13:12 PM   
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At the moment he fired the gun, George was on the ground, having taken a broken nose, with swelling and bleeding on multiple parts of his head, while trying to get away for nearly a minute. It seems more that he used the gun as a last resort out of fear of imminent death, and anyone in that position would have good reason to have that fear.

With due respect Mr, Raiikun, I would ask how you came by the knowledge that allows you to know that it unfolded the way you claim but I have read enough fox news bullshit to know it when I see it. You should view the video of this punk being led into the jail. He is bald so there are no injuries hidden by hair. You can see his entire head, face and shirt and there is no visible blood or injury of any kind.

This indicates to me that Zimmerman is a big fat fucking liar. I think the truth is most likely that George is a punk-ass bully emboldened by his gun and without a gun this tragedy does not happen because the coward would not have initiated the confrontation. I also think that stand your ground should not apply. No one should be allowed to start the fight and use a gun to prevent the provoked from kicking his punk ass. I'd bet the house that is exactly what happened here.

And NBC admitted to doctoring the video and the 911 transcript. (before you go bananas newsweek did the same thing with O J's picture on their cover)

Wow, this thread is all over the place...In trying to find a connection between OJ and Zim, there's really not a lot at this point. There's the guy who I believe caused this to happen in a case that will likely come down to a plea bargain to man-slaughter and there's the double murder who is OJ. He's an acquitted double murder and a double murderer nonetheless, but not really relevant here. I don't see how they can let "stand your ground" protect him from this ugly act.

The point is that news organizations always "make mistakes" as both newsweek and NBC did in a manor that will get the bigest ratings or sell the most magazines. Newsweek darkened O Js pic making him apear more sinister (btw I agree with you on his guilt) and NBC "edited " to make Zimmerman look guilty and showed pics of Martin from when he was 11 - 13 years old tomake him an innocent. I was defending myself in advance from the charge that I wouldn't notice if the same were done to a black man.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 7:16:53 PM   
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They didn`t have an agenda....as you republicans do.....to lie ...


And they admitted to the mistake......which makes them credible.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 7:25:00 PM   
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There are also a whole lotta folks who see this as their own political football.......and not what it really is....a horrible tragedy.



Yes there are. Luckily they are really easy to spot since they bring up political parties in almost every post they make. Even if the topic has nothing to do with it. Just look for words like lefty, rightie, con, lib, republican or democrat.

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 7:44:40 PM   
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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 8:27:14 PM   
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They did no such thing.


They didn`t have an agenda....as you republicans do.....to lie ...


And they admitted to the mistake......which makes them credible.

Yes of course they mistakenly edited everything to do with the case slanted against Zimmerman, when clearer pictures came out you could see the cuts on Zimmermans face quite clearly and they thought that picture of Martin at what was it 13? was current, it just worked out that every mistake went against Zimmerman these things happen, has nothing to do with wacko racist kills innocent kid gets better ratings than community watch guy defends himself. If you believe NBC was unbiased just cause they said it was a mistake well after they had been caught, once it was drummed into people like you thst he said he was following the kid because he was black when he said no such thing then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

PS I am not a Republican

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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 9:33:17 PM   
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RE: Witness lied under oath in Trayvon Martin case - 3/7/2013 9:39:40 PM   
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