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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 3:42:08 PM   
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My cocker is pretty good, but if you would like to take my wife's schipperke for a week by all means......... For the last three years I have been convinced he is mentally retarded. A shepard is a smart dog. If only that's what she had......... :)


Schipperkes are high energy work dogs, who need tons of exercise. It's bred to hunt rodents, and herd small cattle by means of its bark, and to be very independent.

They are an intelligent breed, who need lots of space, lots of stimulation, and a very firm hand.

Why exactly are you trying to keep this kind of dog on a suburban lot, leaving it alone for most of the day?

I'd love to own a groenendaler (groenendael), but I'm not crazy enough to try that kind of breed on the type of property we currently have. It would be asking for trouble. Next time your wife gets a dog, tell he to pick a breed appropriate for your living situation.

Meanwhile try to stimulate the dog way more... These types of dogs stuck in this kind of inappropriate situation often respond well if you try to set up activities for them during the day.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 4:00:27 PM   
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There are situations in which the responsiblity for the animals you care for and with whom you share your home does place certain limitations on what you can do. Cats less so than dogs, because in general cats will walk themselves, cat flap permitting, and if you aren't around to feed them they'll hop off next door and get fed. But dogs are a lot more dependant and you have to be there for them at the times they need to be walked and fed. I have two dogs, as well as a young zoo of other pets, mainly accumulated through my work at an animal sanctuary, and they do exercise certain constraints on my life. It doesn't mean I can't go out or meet people or have people come over, but it does mean I have to arrange things; especially since I live alone and have no one else to deal with things. And I do state on my profile what the situation is, so that if someone wants to talk or consider playing with me, they are aware of what's involved.

So now you know! And yes, its up to each individual to decide, I think. If you don't want to play with someone because their pets, or any other aspect of their life, seem likely to make it problematic for you, that's fine. And if you are able to accomodate that situation, that's also fine. As the Buddha said; 'All things are perfect, exactly as they are'.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 4:02:08 PM   
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Lol, I agree with the firm hand. As far as excercise, you have to nearly drag that dog on a walk. General breed descriptions are great and all but don't necessarily apply to individual canine personalities (last I checke the schipperke didn't make the top 100 smart dog breed list while the G-shep is in the top 5 ). As far as leaving a dog at home, www.dogbreedinfo.com even lists them as suitable for apartment life....that is way worse than a suburban yard....And I am not a jackass that never walks their dogs, they get regular walks with off-lead running time.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 4:13:51 PM   
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You're right that on the English sites I've just found they're listed as okay for small spaces, which is just unbelievable for me.

When I worked in a shelter in Belgium, we'd never adopt schipperkes out to people who don't have the space for them, because they're such a hard to manage breed. Maybe it's because the dog is local to the area, and has always been known there as a work dog, instead of a pet breed, but I wouldn't even think to try them on less than an acre. About the only thing they have to make them suitable for apartment life is their size... other than that it would make both the dog and the owner miserable to be in such a cramped space.

It's good that you walk them, but (if you at all care about making them less bark prone during the day) you need something for the dog to focus on while you guys are gone.
Most of the toys on this list may work. http://www.squidoo.com/toysfordogs Especially this one if its at all prone to chase balls. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004V5FFBY/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=johancom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B004V5FFBY

Another thing you could try is keeping it on a zip line further back on the lot, instead of loose in the backyard. A lot of times, keeping a bark prone dog that can't effectively be trained to stop barking, away from the fence is enough to make the behavior stop. If it can't run up to the fence to see what it is barking at, a lot of times the bark will stop faster, and start later, if it comes at all.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 4:19:10 PM   
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thnx

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 4:59:39 PM   
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Recently, within the past few months, there has been two occasions when it came time for a first meet the men wanted to arrange the date around their dogs' routines. One guy didn't want to meet in the evening because his dogs would "freak out" if he left them alone in the evening so we would have to meet for lunch. The dogs were fine to be left alone during the day because they were used to him being away when he was working. The other said he couldn't meet later than 7 p.m because he had to take his dog for a walk and couldn't trust his adult son (who is living with him) to walk the dog.

Maybe I'm being over sensitive but, really? Not wanting to disrupt your pets routine so that you could potentially have a relationship with someone? I have a cat so I don't have the worry of walking my pet and the cat certainly doesn't freak out if I leave him alone. I couldn't see how a relationship could ensue with a person who needed to date around the dogs' needs.

I work full time and have a crazy schedule so trying to arrange meeting times is tough enough. Then, to further have to consider Fido's needs is a bit too complicated for me.

So, I told both of these guys, forget it. They both thought I was being unreasonable. Not being a dog owner I'm wondering. Am I being unreasonable?


I wouldn't change my schedule or not meet someone because of my dogs routine. Quite possibly they were being extreme. I can't really judge this situation, because my husband insists that ours go with us every where. Although I will say, my dogs are on a very strict schedule and even on the weekends they adhere to that schedule. I think I'm sleeping in and nope not a chance. However, if my dogs didn't like someone or that person didn't like my dogs, buh bye.

When I'm out with friends I can only stay out a certain amount of time. It's not a ridiculously short amount of time, but it a set amount of time. My dogs get a daily walk, no matter what. I do this for them and me. They don't go past a certain amount of time without going to the bathroom. I own a pet and therefore I make sacrifices because it's what you do. If you can't be responsible, want to be selfish, and you want to leave that dog alone for 12 hours, well you shouldn't have one. (just my opinion and I'm not saying anyone does this). Dogs aren't like cats, they require a lot more attention and time.

Mine are particularly active and require a lot of exercise. I live in an apt where pent up energy leads to a lot of barking and pissed off neighbors. We try to be very considerate of our neighbors. I get pissed when their kids scream, yell, jump, and run across the floor. We try not to let our dogs annoy them. This means 3-6 mile walks/hikes, playing soccer ball, and constant training. I guess if that's spoiling my dogs rotten, then I'm guilty.

I don't just trust anyone with my dogs. We both checked on the petsitter for several weeks, and watched the dogs behavior to make sure they were okay.

I would just chalk it up to the fact that you aren't compatible. If someone thinks I'm being unreasonable or spending to much time with my dogs, then we aren't a good match. I loved my husband because the dogs were as important to him as they were to me. I came into the relationship with dogs and he fully accepted them and our already existing schedule.


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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 5:49:04 PM   
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15) On any given night, one or two of my dogs sleep on my bed, they were here first, if you dont like it, sleep in the closet.



lol this is one of the classic dog owner responses...... it's not about the dogs, it's about people who have given up on having a long term meaningful relationship with another human being and the dog/s are just a means to an end

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 6:20:39 PM   
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If you can't be responsible, want to be selfish, and you want to leave that dog alone for 12 hours, well you shouldn't have one. (just my opinion and I'm not saying anyone does this). Dogs aren't like cats, they require a lot more attention and time.


Agreed.

I would dearly love to have another dog, and if this working-from-home gig becomes permanent and I feel more stable where I'm living, will get one, but I'm not going to start looking until both job and housing are stable and dog-friendly.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 6:34:06 PM   
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If you can't be responsible, want to be selfish, and you want to leave that dog alone for 12 hours, well you shouldn't have one. (just my opinion and I'm not saying anyone does this). Dogs aren't like cats, they require a lot more attention and time.


Agreed.

I would dearly love to have another dog, and if this working-from-home gig becomes permanent and I feel more stable where I'm living, will get one, but I'm not going to start looking until both job and housing are stable and dog-friendly.





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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 6:49:02 PM   
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Just call me the crazy dog lady.

I've got one big earred, 12# terrier/papillon mix that would like to think she rules the world. One neurotic mentally challenged shepherd/chow/coyote mix that tries to subversively rule through the 12#r. And one 80# purebred GSD that needs more time, attention, work, and exercise than all of the other dogs I've ever had, put together. She's just too smart for her own good.

And right now they are all three looking very adorably cute as they snooze away. I can't think of any place I'd rather be, than here, relaxing with them.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 7:57:26 PM   
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15) On any given night, one or two of my dogs sleep on my bed, they were here first, if you dont like it, sleep in the closet.



lol this is one of the classic dog owner responses...... it's not about the dogs, it's about people who have given up on having a long term meaningful relationship with another human being and the dog/s are just a means to an end



I have a California King bed. There is room for me, all six dogs, AND one other person.

I do not keep my dogs off the furniture, and yes I clean the furniture daily, as well as vacuum the house every other day. No big deal, part of being a dog owner.

What irritates me is someone telling me that I am treating my dogs too good. Since most of my dogs are rescues, I dont see the way I deal with them as wrong.

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 8:59:00 PM   
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Just call me the crazy dog lady.
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And right now they are all three looking very adorably cute as they snooze away. I can't think of any place I'd rather be, than here, relaxing with them.

I was just called "crazy cat lady, but with dogs instead of cats".
When I'm with my dogs, it is the only time I'm completely content, not thinking about "next".

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RE: Do you put your pets first? - 3/11/2013 9:02:46 PM   
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I love my pit and Daddy's poodles, but fuck that. They are pets, not children. I am not scheduling my life around their eccentricities. Dogs can be taken to a relative's house, a kennel, or left in the backyard with food and water (if weather permits).

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