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Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 4:34:44 PM   
LizDeluxe


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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 4:40:01 PM   
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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 5:05:54 PM   
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Hoh well.

Anyway, cue those multiple links and videos of notoriously dangerous dogs being cute.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 5:39:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

CNN story

Local news story

I know. They are wonderful pets.

Save it. We've heard it before.


Never been bitten by a pit. I have been bitten by a chihuahua and a mini poodle. My mother had a cocker spaniel that went vicious and had to be put down just before my sister arrived.

One reason why attacks like this make the news is because no one really reports how vicious little dogs can be. It is also reported because it happens pretty infrequently (thus making it news).


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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 5:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pitbulls have the size and strength to inflict greater injury than other dogs. See http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

Small breed dogs may be hyper and bitey, but an adult human usually can take them in a fight.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 5:49:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly... i just had to put my pit down because she was becoming aggressive to the point that it was beyond control. Hardest decision i have ever made. the person she "bit" is lucky that it was only a snap in warning and not a full on attack.

for people who might read that statement wrong... i'm not condoning her behaviour. just simply stating that the person was lucky that they walked with only a small bruise instead of a gaping tear in the skin.

sometimes it doesn't matter how well you know the dog, how well you have trained it, or how well you watch her every move. things set them off ( i understand that with pit bulls age makes a difference as well ) and sometimes bad things happen.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 5:54:14 PM   
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Pitbulls have the size and strength to inflict greater injury than other dogs. See http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

Small breed dogs may be hyper and bitey, but an adult human usually can take them in a fight.


a childhood friend of mine took a nasty bite and had to get many stitches in her face from one of those "hyper and bitey" dogs. an adult human can fight one off easily but a child most likely can't. any dog can be dangerous when put into a situation where it feels threatened or the need to defend.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 6:16:11 PM   
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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 7:23:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Pitbulls have the size and strength to inflict greater injury than other dogs. See http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

Small breed dogs may be hyper and bitey, but an adult human usually can take them in a fight.


Did you even read your own link?

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Are Pit Bulls Dangerous to People?
Despite the fact that pit bulls were bred to fight with each other, early breeders took pride in producing dogs that were trustworthy and friendly to people. Handlers bathed their opponent’s dog before a match, stood in the pits with the battling dogs and often pulled them apart to end a fight. Any dog who behaved aggressively toward a person was culled, or killed, to avoid passing on such an undesirable trait. Pit bulls typically lived in their owner’s homes, where they earned the nickname “nursemaid’s dog” because they were so reliable with young children. In fact, “Pete the Pup,” the children’s friend from the old TV series “Our Gang,” was a pit bull.


Yep, definitely a dog that needs constant watching. Really though, ALL dogs should be kept under control at all times by their owners. If you think otherwise, you really shouldn't own a dog in the first place.

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A pit bull bite is also far more likely to draw media attention. Many dogs of other breeds bite people, but these incidents almost always go unreported. They’re just not exciting enough fodder for television and print.


Ever give that a thought? Pull up any statistics on dog bites, and the smallest dog on the list will be a Cocker Spaniel. Is anyone actually foolish enough to believe that smaller dogs don't bite at all just because no one reports it?

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Despite this bad rap, a well-bred, well-socialized and well-trained pit bull is one of the most delightful, intelligent and gentle dogs imaginable. It is truly a shame that the media continues to portray such a warped image of this beautiful, loyal and affectionate breed.


Here's the problem. People are stupid with animals. They lack the ability to train them, socialize them and teach them appropriate behavior, often excusing things they do wrong. Train ANY dog correctly, which can differ breed to breed and you can have a good pet. Incidentally, ANY dog can get pissed off at any moment and bite.

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Some are registered therapy dogs and spend time visiting hospitals and nursing homes.


Now if this were an inherently dangerous breed, do you honestly believe they would be permitted around old, less than agile people unable to defend themselves?

Very good use of selective reading you have done with your own article.

I'm not in any way excusing the dog in the OP's story. He should be put down, his own fined and also required to pay all medical bills for that child, along with a hefty punitive amount. He was stupid, shouldn't ever own another dog and be held completely responsible for his dog's actions. Luckily, since dog bites tend to be strict liability, he is likely to suffer all of the things I listed.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 7:45:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

CNN story

Local news story

I know. They are wonderful pets.

Save it. We've heard it before.


Yeah, gun owners are crazed, blood thirsty nut balls. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Yeah right. Save it, we've heard it before.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/15/2013 8:32:57 PM   
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/03/lion-didnt-intend-to-kill-young-woman-her-family-believes.html

2 Australian Shepherds attacked a boy and left him required numerous stitches.
http://www.courant.com/topic/sns-mct-attorney-trying-to-save-dogs-sentenced-to-death-in-20130313,0,7545275.story

Dachshunds attacked and killed a swan
http://www.courant.com/topic/os-lake-eola-swan-attack-20130306,0,7300978.story

A man attacked his neighbor's dog with a samurai sword
http://www.courant.com/topic/sns-mct-brief-spring-lake-man-charged-with-animal-cruelty-20130309,0,6877442.story

And humans attacked each other
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/03/third-person-dies-following-armed-standoff-in-watts.html

again
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/teenager-killed-by-new-york-police-was-shot-7-times.html?ref=crimeandcriminals&_r=0

and again
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/03/san-diego-woman-sex-crime.html

and again
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/03/man-killed-16-year-old-wounded-in-placentia-shooting.html

and again
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/jonylah-watkins-dies-6-mo_n_2859436.html


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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/16/2013 7:18:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

CNN story

Local news story

I know. They are wonderful pets.

Save it. We've heard it before.




Save it. We've heard all this before. What's your point? Only you can repetitively, point out something we've heard before? You can beat a dead horse, but the rest of us can't?

Pot meet kettle.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 6:41:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Earlier this month, my friend's 5-year-old daughter was playing in a park and got attacked by a pit bull. She had to get stitches on her face - hopefully there won't be any scarring... I don't know all the details of that incident and yes, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, but still...

Yes, there are other dogs and animals (lions, raccoons, etc) who can harm people and yes, maybe pit bull attacks are fairly rare and sensationalized by the media. Maybe. Maybe not. If nobody does anything, poorly trained animals will continue attacking people. I'd much rather prevent such attacks in the first place than charge inept trainers for extensive surgeries.

The question is, how do we prevent that from happening? We can either make it ridiculously difficult for people to get a permit to walk their animals in public (just as difficult as it is to get a CCW (concealed carry) gun license in California unless you're a cop) because the First Amendment's right to free speech does not necessarily extend to the right to walk your potentially untrained, potentially dangerous pets in public - especially without a leash.

It's either that, or we can force all dog-owners to have their dogs' teeth surgically dulled to the point where their bites won't hurt anybody. The dog owners who refuse the procedure would pay a high insurance premium - the proceeds would be used to pay the victims of "un-dulled" dog attacks. After all, we already pay car insurance because a lot of people suck at driving, damage other cars/people and don't have enough cash to pay for repairs and medical bills. Why should it be any different with dogs?..

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 8:11:16 PM   
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The question is, how do we prevent that from happening? We can either make it ridiculously difficult for people to get a permit to walk their animals in public (just as difficult as it is to get a CCW (concealed carry) gun license in California unless you're a cop) because the First Amendment's right to free speech does not necessarily extend to the right to walk your potentially untrained, potentially dangerous pets in public - especially without a leash.



First, I'm truly sorry about your friend's daughter, and I hope she heals well and that the dog attacking her is something she can eventually move past.

The above, however, is probably the real point that needs to be discussed. Because that is the problem. People don't properly train their animals, and there really should be a very large cost to pet owners for their inability to do so.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 9:14:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Pitbulls have the size and strength to inflict greater injury than other dogs. See http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls

Small breed dogs may be hyper and bitey, but an adult human usually can take them in a fight.


a childhood friend of mine took a nasty bite and had to get many stitches in her face from one of those "hyper and bitey" dogs. an adult human can fight one off easily but a child most likely can't. any dog can be dangerous when put into a situation where it feels threatened or the need to defend.


When I was growing up, we had a neighbor with a nasty, little yipping dog. The thing was vicious. It was always chasing people and trying to bite them. It finally did bite one person, but was let off with a warning as it was technically only the first time. I say technically because it had happened previously but hadn't ever been reported. A few months later, a classmate of my brother was on his knees playing with the dog, when it suddenly attacked him. It tore off an ear, his lower lip, and did extensive damage to his face. He was still getting surgeries several years later to repair all the damage. After this,the dog was finally put down.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 9:32:51 PM   
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Pitbulls have the size and strength to inflict greater injury than other dogs.


As do Setters, Labs, Sheperds, Malamutes, St Bernards, Huskies, Pyrenees, Bouviers, Standard Poodles, Airedales, and others.

The difference? The above are 'cute'. The above are overwhelmingly associated with white suburbanites. Therefore, the above are 'safe'.

When I was a kid there was a lingering distrust of German Sheperds because the media had earlier seized on them as fearsome 'junkyard dogs'... (Junkyards of course being run by immigrants and black people).

After Rin-Tin-Tin, the fervor died down, until the media whipped it up against 'ghetto dogs' like pits and rotties.

Another factor is that everyone thinks they know how to train a dog, and almost everyone is fooling themselves. Ditto for knowing how to act around dogs, especially kids.

And finally, the buttheads that think it is funny to abusively train and handle any animal are drawn to exactly what the media is sensationalizing.

So yeah... pit bulls will bite and they will hurt people. When you make them.





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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 10:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		This bears repeating. As a former volunteer at a no kill animal shelter, I dealt with the more aggressive dogs. There were only a vert few that could not be rehabilitated. The Dog Trainer/Shrink said the number one cause of dogs to be aggressive was stupid owners.

I have heard it all before so save it. Humans are by far the most fucked up animals and they spread it to other animals with their stupidity.


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Here's the problem. People are stupid with animals. They lack the ability to train them, socialize them and teach them appropriate behavior, often excusing things they do wrong. Train ANY dog correctly, which can differ breed to breed and you can have a good pet. Incidentally, ANY dog can get pissed off at any moment and bite.




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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/18/2013 10:45:55 PM   
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Had the left side of my face torn open and I narrowly avoided having my eyeball punctured during a dog attack when I was 3 years old. The dog who did it was a black lab. The family friendly, cute, cuddly, highly acceptable lab turned out to be the bloodthirsty hell beast. The dog I later was introduced to and paired up with as a therapy dog to help me overcome my terror of all things canine was a pit bull named Blackie. Turns out that a reviled and portrayed as evil pit bull was ultimately the hero of the day.

So I personally can't and won't be buying into the bullshit hysteria about pit bulls anytime soon. You dont have to like it if you dont want to. The biggest problem is the jackass humans who own animals that they have no business owning. If you lack the brain cells and common sense to own an earthworm, you lack the skills to own a pit bull. Or any other animal for that matter.

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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/19/2013 6:04:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

This bears repeating. As a former volunteer at a no kill animal shelter, I dealt with the more aggressive dogs. There were only a vert few that could not be rehabilitated. The Dog Trainer/Shrink said the number one cause of dogs to be aggressive was stupid owners.

I have heard it all before so save it. Humans are by far the most fucked up animals and they spread it to other animals with their stupidity.


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Here's the problem. People are stupid with animals. They lack the ability to train them, socialize them and teach them appropriate behavior, often excusing things they do wrong. Train ANY dog correctly, which can differ breed to breed and you can have a good pet. Incidentally, ANY dog can get pissed off at any moment and bite.






Well said.

Couldn`t be truer.

We had a golden retriever(supposedly one of the friendliest breeds?) bite and maul several people and other dogs before my shelter put it down.

A pit or other similarly scary bread, would not have gotten so many chances.




OP is just one sad example, of the pits now being the current dog to fear and loath.



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RE: Another pit bull attack - 3/20/2013 11:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		> Here's the problem. People are stupid with animals. They lack the ability to train them,
> socialize them and teach them appropriate behavior, often excusing things they do wrong.

A great many people have the same problem with their own children.


As for dogs... it seems there is always some "devil dog" that is insanely aggressive and eats children. I remember when that dog was the "Alsatian Wolfhound", an animal so evil that Adolf Hitler owned one, and they were used by the Gestapo and SS, trained to attack and mutilate civilians.

As far as pit bulls... a friend is fond of saying, "My Akita will *eat* a pit bull!" And Akitas were bred to be good with children; they're known as "crib dogs" in Japan. Someday the Akita will probably be the new devil dog.


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