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How many of you are:


Pro Gun, pro capital punishment, anti abortion
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Anti gun, anti abortion, anti capital punishment
  5% (3)
Pro gun, pro abortion, pro capital punishment
  39% (21)
Pro gun, anti capital punishment, pro abortion
  18% (10)
Anti gun, pro abortion, anti capital punishment
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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 5:33:00 PM   
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And being Catholic, I should share the church's view on birth control, however, unless humans are far superior in breeding than any other mammal on the planet, repeated pregnancies carry more risk with each pregnancy, and unless the biological clock is a joke, after a certain age, the risk of carrying a child to term is greater.





Hold on a tick, this has been annoying me a bit.

Catholicism, and all other religions should have EXACTLY ZERO SAY in the legality of anything, including the abortion debate.




Any religion's goal is to form the moral conscience of its "constituents" which then, in theory, should form their politics. It is through public action that they express their faith. A faith that is confined to a particular building is no faith at all.


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:06:00 PM   
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Yep Ken, you are right, according to the latest statistics there are 123000 children in the US to be adopted.

There are about 2 million childless couples waiting to adopt.
That's because the majority of those 2 mil want cute little newborns and are only interested in those that look like them.



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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:33:24 PM   
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Alright, please explain how abortion is the best option except when there is a risk to the mother, or in the case of incest or rape.


Alright, I'll bite.

I was at my OB/GYN, sitting next to a woman in the waiting room who was crying her eyes out.

She told me that she and her husband had three children. She had her tubes tied after the third child. Six months prior to our meeting her husband had been laid off. Three months prior to our meeting, she had been laid off.

The were living on unemployment with no health insurance, trying to support three children when she found out that the tubal ligation had failed.

They made the decision to terminate the pregnancy because they could not afford the hospital bills and costs of another mouth to feed and did not wish their current three children to suffer.....because a married couple decided to have sex when they thought it was safe to do so.

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With the exception of the one I put in bold, why is the option of putting the baby up for adoption a bad option?


Social stigma of being pregnant. Exceptional expenses. Possible loss of job. Abandoned by the guy that said he'd love you forever. The stigma of a married couple giving up a child for adoption. There are number of reasons why some people will feel that it is their only option.

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I took enough lives when I was in the army, so now I have a new perspective on life.

But what the fuck do I know, I am only a former dumb grunt.


As someone that had to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy...until you've been in my shoes, you have no idea.

I had a pregnancy that was a high risk for miscarriage. At three months pregnant, the doctor wanted me on bed rest...for 6 months. With no income, loss of health insurance and no guarantee that I wasn't going to miscarry anyway.

So, go ahead...judge.



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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:45:35 PM   
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My stance on the death penalty is iffy. I don't believe in footing the bill so criminals can perfect their craft over a period of many years. (That's what you get when like minds come together...a more efficient and intelligent class of criminals; see the show "Lockup".) However, given the holes in our criminal justice system, I cannot in good conscience advocate death as a sentence. So many are wrongfully accused and convicted, especially in the age of internet misinformation and inaccurate reporting.


About 70 percentof people in prison are in prison on drug related crimes. If drugs were not illegal these people would not be in prison. Of those thirty percent that are not drug related how many are felony drunk driving? or some similar crime...I think you paint with too broad a brush when you talk about "footing the bill for criminals". Do you really believe that a tv show is real?

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:48:02 PM   
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Way too cut & dried.

An amend. is needed for a codified beginning of human life beyond which abortion only to save mom.

The medical profession has already done that it is just the morons who have not been to med school who cannot figgure it out.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:50:01 PM   
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Any religion's goal is to form the moral conscience of its "constituents" which then, in theory, should form their politics. It is through public action that they express their faith. A faith that is confined to a particular building is no faith at all.




No- someone's faith should never interfere with anyone else's rights.

If YOUR faith tells you to abstain from birth control, and abortions, and whatever else, then YOU should not do it. However, when you tell me that I cannot do XXXX because of something that has nothing at all to do with me, that's entirely out of line.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:52:04 PM   
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At one time in my life I was in favor of abortion, even though I am Catholic. Then some years ago, I watched a story on one of the National Networks (pre 2000 cable channel choices) that focused on women who had multiple abortions and basically considered it a form of birth control, at which point I changed my opinion.

Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toiletpaper
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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:54:47 PM   
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Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?




A D&C is something that is also done after some miscarriages, to diagnose and treat polyps, endometriosis, uterine cancer, and fibroids. It, in itself, is not an abortion

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:55:49 PM   
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Under the ban proposed by Senator Feinstein, the AR15 would be banned, but not the Ruger Mini 14, the only difference between the two weapons, there is no pistol grip on the Mini 14, and no bayonet lug, and it usually has a wooden stock and butt and a slightly longer barrel.

The mini 14 is a far superior weapon.


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As far as capital punishment goes, I am for it, when there are iron clad evidence proving the guilt of an individual. Iron clad as in, caught in the act of fleeing the crime scene in the victims car by police, video evidence, DNA evidence, more than one eyewitness, finger prints at the scene, victims DNA or blood on the perps clothes, shoes, in his or her vehicle etc.


Of course it was just a movie but the character "coffee" in the movie "the green mile" would seem to fit your discription and he was innocent and executed.

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And I agree with the statement that if someone is sentenced to life in prison, it would be cheaper to execute the individual.


A little research might disabuse you of that opinion.

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Now as for those bleeding hearts that claim that prison "reforms" criminals, that is bullshit.


You of all people,being an alleged retired cop, know full well that about 70 percent of those in prison are in prison for drug related charges ....you know bullshit crimes....do you really think that that 70 percent of the prison population fits your discription of unreformable? Erase the laws against drugs and those "unreformable criminals" are instantly members of the better bussiness bureau.

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of Sex offenders tend to re offend, with a little change, if they didnt kill their victims the first time, they tend to the second, third, fourth etc. Same with child molesters.


I would like to see some validation for this opinion. I hear it a lot but have yet to have anyone actually bring forth some meaningfull data. Do you think roman polanski shoud be extradited???he is a so called sex criminal....


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:57:09 PM   
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Inconvenience is a good excuse for killing another human being?

Which med school did you learn that nonsense in?

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 6:59:56 PM   
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At one time in my life I was in favor of abortion, even though I am Catholic. Then some years ago, I watched a story on one of the National Networks (pre 2000 cable channel choices) that focused on women who had multiple abortions and basically considered it a form of birth control, at which point I changed my opinion.

Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?





There are people who murder their babies as an alternative to changing diapers.

There are people who burn down their houses as an alternative to dusting.

There are people who steal as an alternative to working.

What's your point?

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:03:35 PM   
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At the time, the statistics showed is was more than a handful, right now, only 52% of women getting abortions have not had one previously... still a little more than a handful.


Consider the motocross rider who has multiple broken legs or arms over their carear. Should he/she not be allowed to continue with their chosen endeavor because they have broken a bone more than once???

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:05:55 PM   
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So it is better to kill a baby than to give a childless couple a chance at being parents?


Please go talk to a real doctor not one who plays one in church. It is not a baby.


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There is a viable alternative to abortion.


Who are you to impose that burden on anyone?

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The problem is with the "instant gratification" or expediency of getting an abortion, the problem disappears in one afternoon at a clinic, rather than giving the child a chance at a life with parents that actually want the child.


Only the ignorant believe that bullshit...please go speak with a real doctor.

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I took enough lives when I was in the army, so now I have a new perspective on life.

But what the fuck do I know, I am only a former dumb grunt.


I agree and you will stay that way until you choose to educate yourself.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:16:23 PM   
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I agree with the sentiments of no abortions if it's just for convenience - that's shameful.


So it appears that you are one of those folks who thinks it is good to suffer and not to have a convenent or comfortable life....if that works for you...too kewel but please do not seek to inflict your desire to suffer on those who do not share your particular kink.

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But lets look at the other side of the coin shall we??
What about all those girls/women that can't keep their legs shut, fuck anything with a penis,


I want to know where they are. I want them to join cm. I want to get nake(nake being the present tense of naked) with them.
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and drop sprogs all over the place to force the authorities to give them social housing ahead of legitimate needy families?


Are you really saying that the legitimacy of a child is a meaningful criteria for poverty? What fucking planet did you learn that on?
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I dunno about the US but it happens a lot over here and it's fucking infuriating!!
Being told you have to wait 7 FUCKING YEARS before you are likely to be considered for housing sorta sticks in the craw a bit - all because of sluts and immigrants with a football team of children!!



Yours would seem an obvious solution...get to work and get your bint knocked up and have her be the slut you need to create a football team of children and you will not have to wait 7 years.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:19:13 PM   
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Any religion's goal is to form the moral conscience of its "constituents" which then, in theory, should form their politics. It is through public action that they express their faith. A faith that is confined to a particular building is no faith at all.


They get a tax exemption for keeping that filth inside a building...when they bring it to the political arena they need to register as a party.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:25:30 PM   
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Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?




A D&C is something that is also done after some miscarriages, to diagnose and treat polyps, endometriosis, uterine cancer, and fibroids. It, in itself, is not an abortion

please disabuse me of my ignorance...how exactly is an abortion performed?

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:29:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

At one time in my life I was in favor of abortion, even though I am Catholic. Then some years ago, I watched a story on one of the National Networks (pre 2000 cable channel choices) that focused on women who had multiple abortions and basically considered it a form of birth control, at which point I changed my opinion.

Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?





There are people who murder their babies as an alternative to changing diapers.


Got any validation for this?

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There are people who burn down their houses as an alternative to dusting.

Who besides phylis diller?
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There are people who steal as an alternative to working.


The topic is not congress
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What's your point?

That women do not use abortion as an alternative to birthcontrol.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 7:51:21 PM   
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Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?




A D&C is something that is also done after some miscarriages, to diagnose and treat polyps, endometriosis, uterine cancer, and fibroids. It, in itself, is not an abortion

please disabuse me of my ignorance...how exactly is an abortion performed?


Come on dude... If you are going to argue a point, at least have a working knowledge of it. :-/

That being said, planned parenthood has a pretty good site




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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 8:01:19 PM   
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Perhaps if you were to attend an abortion you might change your mind...It is called a d and c. After you watch a vidio of it would you assume that anyone would use it as an alternative to toilet?




A D&C is something that is also done after some miscarriages, to diagnose and treat polyps, endometriosis, uterine cancer, and fibroids. It, in itself, is not an abortion

please disabuse me of my ignorance...how exactly is an abortion performed?


She's correct. I've had three D&C's. Two after miscarriages and one after cauterization for a uterine (cancerous) lump. D&C are not limited to abortions and most abortions are done by dialation and vacuum vs. dialation and cutterage. Cutterage is basically a scraping of the uterus.


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/22/2013 11:31:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		To continue to express my beliefs either in religious philosophy or abortion is basically fruitless. Evidently I am wrong in both cases.

But it has reminded me of an incident in my life.


My second wife was not overly religious when I met her and she had a strange political philosophy, but we got along.

Then she got involved with the Mormon church, which was fine with me, I was still a practicing Catholic.

Then about six months later, we sat down to dinner, and I prayed in my usual manner, and was promptly told "I did not pray right."

The next day, she took everything I had that was oriented toward the Catholic church, my rosary, bible, a hand carved wooden crucifix and my books published by the church and put it in a trash bag and promptly threw it in the dumpster. This was at 10 in the morning.

I recovered my belongings, and by five that afternoon I was in a new apartment and had filed separation papers.

The similarity to this discussion is simple, I believe what I do, and for my own reasons. I believe there are, in 90% of the situations, an alternative solution to any problem, abortion, personal, health related, whatever, there is always another way to deal with it. Just a personal belief, which, according to some, does not apply to the subject of abortion.

Abortion is legal in this country. Nothing short of a religious theocracy taking over the country is going to change that.

Do I protest in front of Abortion Clinics, no.
If I am asked by a female friend about whether on not she should have an abortion, I mention there is the option of putting the child up for adoption, after I listen to her reasons for considering abortion in the first place.
Do I brow beat her into agreeing with me, no. It is after all her decision, and she will answer for that come judgement day.

Do I think there are situations where abortion is justified, yes. Rape, incest and the life of the mother is in danger if she carries to term.

Now, either you people can accept my beliefs as mine, and that I have a right to believe the way I do OR you can say I am wrong and do not have the right to believe the way I do, and should change my opinions and beliefs to suit you.

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Hold on a tick, this has been annoying me a bit.

Catholicism, and all other religions should have EXACTLY ZERO SAY in the legality of anything, including the abortion debate.




The Catholic church does not address the legality of abortion, or anything else. No church does as far as I know. The Catholic as with any church, can make a stand on the morality of abortion, capital punishment or anything else for that matter.

There is a big difference on a stand based on morality as opposed to legality. The Catholic church accepts that Abortion is legal in many countries, it is the churches stand that the act is immoral.

The Catholic church also condemns capital punishment, which I support with certain conditions.

FYI, after every op or deployment in which I took a human life while in the army, I did go to confession and basically confessed to the priest I committed murder. Just about every Catholic soldier I knew did the same thing.

Was it really a sin, some priests maintain that it is a sin to take any human life, some maintain that lives took during a combat situation is not a sin simply because of the kill or be killed conditions that exist in a combat situation.

Of course the bible is a little fuzzy in that sense, there is the "Thou shalt not kill" and in another book of the old testament "There is a time for peace and a time for war."

I went to confession because I felt the need to, for the simple act of taking a human life.

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