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How many of you are:


Pro Gun, pro capital punishment, anti abortion
  24% (13)
Anti gun, anti abortion, anti capital punishment
  5% (3)
Pro gun, pro abortion, pro capital punishment
  39% (21)
Pro gun, anti capital punishment, pro abortion
  18% (10)
Anti gun, pro abortion, anti capital punishment
  11% (6)


Total Votes : 53
(last vote on : 3/26/2013 4:57:38 AM)
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How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:12:53 AM   
jlf1961


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:15:51 AM   
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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:16:38 AM   
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Pro Gun
Pro Capital Punishment (in a VERY different way than it is done now... if I had to keep the system as it is then I'd be anti-capital punishment)

And the phrase "pro abortion" makes it sound like I think abortion is a good thing. I don't. I think "pro choice" better defines my position.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:16:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

not enough choices, sorry


Hit enter before I was done, sorry

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:26:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL still not there, and wont be until you put in pro choice, and pro cap pun with caveats...
cos life isnt black n white..or anywhere clear cut.


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:36:14 AM   
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So long as you're not shooting the foetus, there isn't really a contradiction between being pro gun control and in favour of a woman's right to choose.

Now the fact that are lot of the wingnut fundie right in favour of capital punishment but opposed to abortion is definitely a bit of cognitive dissonance, on the other hand...

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:41:00 AM   
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Now the fact that are lot of the wingnut fundie right in favour of capital punishment but opposed to abortion is definitely a bit of cognitive dissonance, on the other hand...

Aside from the argument that confers personhood at conception, innocence is irrelevant?

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:42:48 AM   
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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:49:08 AM   
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until the fertilised egg implants into the uterus, a fetus is not likely to be viable at all

I don't think "viability" is the measuring stick they are using. And honestly, it does make at least some sense to say "when we get those X's and Y's together it's the beginning of something new". The logic there shouldn't be completely obscure.

My issue is that the logic starts and ends there. What I want to know about is consequences and the pro-life groups generally shut up right after the "no abortion" part. I want to know what happens next to this life they are so ardently supportive of.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:51:25 AM   
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My issue is that the logic starts and ends there. What I want to know about is consequences and the pro-life groups generally shut up right after the "no abortion" part. I want to know what happens next to this life they are so ardently supportive of.

It spends the rest of its life sponging off the taxpayer, obviously.
It makes me furious that it's always the same wankers who are rabidly opposed to birth control who find the notion of welfare spending to provide for the underclass so offensive.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 6:52:16 AM   
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however, until it implants into the uterus, 99.99999999% of the time, there will be no life. viability or not... nothing to feed it, nothing to attach it to the woman who gives it "survival.


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:00:58 AM   
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however, until it implants into the uterus, 99.99999999% of the time, there will be no life. viability or not...

You might as well talk about a thrush infection's "right to life", in fact.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:04:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
however, until it implants into the uterus, 99.99999999% of the time, there will be no life. viability or not...

You might as well talk about a thrush infection's "right to life", in fact.

Well, for what it's worth, this pro-choice person finds these arguments disingenuous.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:04:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see my choice, either.

I'm pro-gun. I cringe to even say it that way, because honestly, I am stuck on that one. I am feeling more and more like I am anti-gun lately, but I'm not ready to offer to give up my right to have one. So, though I may or may not be evolving in a different direction, it's still a work in progress.

I'm anti-abortion, personally. And I would offer to give up my right to have an abortion. But I would not offer to give up the right for others to do so. It's such a difficult subject, how could I ever presume to know what the right choice is for someone else?

I'm anti-capital punishment. Once they're in prison, they're no longer a threat to society. Killing them is an eye-for-an-eye action. I don't believe in eye-for-an-eye.


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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:13:33 AM   
JeffBC


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I'm anti-capital punishment. Once they're in prison, they're no longer a threat to society. Killing them is an eye-for-an-eye action. I don't believe in eye-for-an-eye.

Not necessarily. I'm pro capital punishment strictly in the sense of economics and "putting the rabid dog down". It has nothing to do with punishment. In point of fact I think this fixation on retribution is a huge part of what's wrong with the american criminal justice system.

My beef with capital punishment is that I feel pretty strongly as a tax payer that if I'm going to make a decision to end someone's life I want them to have very, very credible defense. This business of drunkards defending in capital punishment cases offends me greatly because it makes me a murderer by extension.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:15:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
however, until it implants into the uterus, 99.99999999% of the time, there will be no life. viability or not...

You might as well talk about a thrush infection's "right to life", in fact.

Well, for what it's worth, this pro-choice person finds these arguments disingenuous.

hmmmmmm as one who has had an ectopic pregnancy( yanno, one that grows OUTSIDE the uterus,) that burst and led to emergency surgery, and a LONG recovery , I find your disingenuous comment to be kinda pointless, but thats just my opinion:)

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 7:41:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I went with the first choice but only in as much as I'm personally apposed to abortion I would question the wisdom of making it illegal. It would pretty much be the same situation as making some particular type of gun illegal, that is it would open up
Black market opportunities. I doubt it would be coat hangers and back ally's either. Black market abortions would likely be much more sophisticated, done in motor homes or some secret location. We have the Federal police, the tax police, the money police, the secret service, the gun, alcohol, tobacco, and bomb police plus all the local police, county police and more SWAT teams then we will ever need. Like we really need the abortion police.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 8:23:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
This is going to be interesting. Give your reasons please.


Not detailed enough, jlf.

1. I am Pro 2nd Amendment, but do believe there needs to be rational regulation that prevents anyone any gun. There have to be controls and background checks, etc.

2. I am pro Death Penalty in certain cases. If our legal system has determined that someone should be in jail for the rest of his/her life without chance for parole, that life should be terminated. In saying that, if someone has done something that heinous, I do believe that they have chosen to not be "human" anymore and forfeits the rights inherent in being a human. And, there has to be developed a way to made damn sure we are right before executing anyone. And, there has to be a way to make sure the convicted can't be rehabbed to be able to re-enter society.

3. I am Pro Life, personally. But, I don't believe that government has the right to tell anyone what they can or can not do in this area. That is, I do not believe it is my authority to tell anyone else what they can or can not do, at any level. I believe everyone should be free to choose, but my choice for me, is Pro Life.

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 8:28:06 AM   
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I am Pro Life, personally. But, I don't believe that government has the right to tell anyone what they can or can not do in this area. That is, I do not believe it is my authority to tell anyone else what they can or can not do, at any level. I believe everyone should be free to choose, but my choice for me, is Pro Life.

Given some of the past form in this area from idiots trying to abolish Roe Vs Wade on a State by State basis, that doesn't sound very Pro Life to me. Far too sane and rational...

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RE: How many of you are: - 3/20/2013 8:28:24 AM   
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Now the fact that are lot of the wingnut fundie right in favour of capital punishment but opposed to abortion is definitely a bit of cognitive dissonance



Not really. Some would say that capital punishment IS pro-life because it protects society from the offender in cases where incarceration is not sufficient. We are talking about the difference between innocent life (the unborn) and criminals that have been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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