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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 4:56:50 AM   
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As an ideology Stalinism was made for mass-murder though. I'm not defending Putin, the man is a tool, but in my opinion to equate Putin to Stalin fundamentally underestimates the systematic disregard that Stalinism - and material Marxism in general - shows for human life. Russia's Foreign Minister opposed the ban according to a source in this thread. If this was Stalinist Russia he would be in a prison camp, or he would be dead. Not only that but he would be a traitor - his family, and friends, and anyone who had ever agreed with anything he had ever said would be in serious danger. If they ended up imprisoned or dead then they would be traitors as well, because that's how Stalinism worked.

The international Marxist Left have never recovered from Stalinism. The mere fact that in 2013 someone like the OP can make a post that assumes lefties are going to side with Russia is testament to that. Some of the strongest polemics against Stalinism have come from within the Marxist left i.e. Through the Smoke of Budapest or Socialist Humanism: An Epistle to the Philistines, both by E.P. Thompson, a personal hero of mine and a lefty who would never have 'whitewashed' anything Putin says or does.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 5:21:10 AM   
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Personally every leftist I know despises Putin. Of course that clashes with the rights fanatsies about progressives so I'll be called a liar or some such nonsense.

Personally, everyone on the far right I know despises Putin as he is part of the old Commie regime.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 6:25:38 AM   
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As much as I hate the man with a passion and think he is an enemy to America. At least the man stands for something and enforces LAWS unlike the numerous of leaders we have running this country. I bet Putin is one of the few people that will say "no" to the modern day robber barons unlike somebody that's in office.


Correct. He took the richest man in Russia, and trumped up charges against him and convicted him in a closed trial, seizing his wealth. Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

Putin is an ex-KGB goon and is turning back the clock to the bad old days in Russia. He's pond scum no matter where on the political spectrum you live.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:06:39 AM   
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I am sure the lefties will find a way to support and white wash Putin and absolve him of any bigotry over this.



Putin orders ban on adoptions by foreign same-sex couples

wrong
leftie doesnt mean communist, no matter how much you try to assert such

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:32:17 AM   
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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:41:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thezeppo

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I am sure the lefties will find a way to support and white wash Putin and absolve him of any bigotry over this.



Putin orders ban on adoptions by foreign same-sex couples


The left haven't been beholden to Russia since 1956 - look up the New Left, Kruschev's Secret Speech, the Suez Crisis, the counter-revolution in Hungary.



The rightists haven`t bothered to read anything new since '56'....

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:49:04 AM   
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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.



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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:52:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.




All it would take for the rightists to accept punit (or ANYONE like him) would be for him to sell us their oil.


Just look at the gaddafi's case,where we had someone who was directly involved in killing Americans.


The republicans had simultaneously stuck their heads in the sand while personally washing gaddafi`s feet.


All of a sudden,muammar was our new buddy.....thanks to the grand oil party.



Putin.....hasn`t killed any Americans.....


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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 7:58:14 AM   
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quote:

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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.




It's not a matter of being too lazy. It's called we don't give a fuck to. We simply know nothing good will come of it in the end so why fucking bother, simple as that. Bothering to learn the difference means possibly encouraging the communists. Instead its better to sit back and let them know we aren't interested in any kind of dialog. Who is better for, well not for the communists, but better for the right, just how it is.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:01:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.




All it would take for the rightists to accept punit (or ANYONE like him) would be for him to sell us their oil.


Just look at the gaddafi's case,where we had someone who was directly involved in killing Americans.


The republicans had simultaneously stuck their heads in the sand while personally washing gaddafi`s feet.


All of a sudden,muammar was our new buddy.....thanks to the grand oil party.



Putin.....hasn`t killed any Americans.....



I will admit too many on the right are too quick to forgive sins when oil becomes available. If you want to stop that issue then tell Obama and the Dems to let America take advantage of its oil and coal resources and render the issue moot. Frankly I don't give a fuck for Putin, I hope tensions build so we are forced to engage in oil exploration here in America and get off going to these socialist types and their disease.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:15:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.




It's not a matter of being too lazy. It's called we don't give a fuck to. We simply know nothing good will come of it in the end so why fucking bother, simple as that. Bothering to learn the difference means possibly encouraging the communists. Instead its better to sit back and let them know we aren't interested in any kind of dialog. Who is better for, well not for the communists, but better for the right, just how it is.

hahhahahahhahhaha ignorance, lazy arrogance and bloody typical post when called on righty bullshit:)
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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:26:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.





This kind of ignorance is actually a point of pride, among rightists.


Another required rightist qualities are:

Dissing and dismissing other countries and furriners, while at the same time claiming they don`t give a fuck what they say/think/do.

Throwing everyone into a few,simple,easy to remember groups with little thought for the thousands of distinctions and differences.

I recall just before disaster Iraq,the folks with knowledge(the real kind) were saying that if saddam were to be removed,that most likely would start a religious civil war between the Sunnis and the Shea.Stupid "experts" were fucking all to correct.......with us stuck in the middle of the civil war.

At that time,there wasn`t a single con that knew what a Shea or a Sunni Muslim was or even gave a fuck about the distinction.I`d bet money that today, most cons still don`t know or cares to know......They`re all in the "scary brown Muslim" category and are collectively blamed and collectively punished as all the same.

I also think the cons pine for the cold war.They`re a bit lost.

The real war on terrorists,scares the fuck out of them and it`s way to complicated to manage or exploit/ubuse for political reasons.

The "red menace"......now there was something so simple,that even the amoral conservatives could get traction.




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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:29:29 AM   
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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


If the above was supposed to make you look like less of a political bigot, I am going to have to give it a major fail.

It's a shame that the OP could not have started the thread based solely on the subject and not try to turn it into another left vs right pissing contest.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:32:56 AM   
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there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.



Yes, yes there is. There are also similarities. At least you acknowledge the communism of the socialist/materialist left.

As Google is celebrating, Happy Cesar Chavez day

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:34:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic


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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.




All it would take for the rightists to accept punit (or ANYONE like him) would be for him to sell us their oil.


Just look at the gaddafi's case,where we had someone who was directly involved in killing Americans.


The republicans had simultaneously stuck their heads in the sand while personally washing gaddafi`s feet.


All of a sudden,muammar was our new buddy.....thanks to the grand oil party.



Putin.....hasn`t killed any Americans.....



I will admit too many on the right are too quick to forgive sins when oil becomes available. If you want to stop that issue then tell Obama and the Dems to let America take advantage of its oil and coal resources and render the issue moot. Frankly I don't give a fuck for Putin, I hope tensions build so we are forced to engage in oil exploration here in America and get off going to these socialist types and their disease.


Typical con......blame Obama or anyone else.....


Then repeat the non-sense that we could ever support our own oil needs......


What percentage of our oil is imported? Do the math.








"Arkansas residents evacuate as Exxon-Mobil tar sands pipeline ruptures"


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/30/arkansas-residents-evacuate-as-exxon-mobil-tar-sands-pipeline-ruptures/

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 8:44:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.



Yes, yes there is. There are also similarities. At least you acknowledge the communism of the socialist/materialist left.

As Google is celebrating, Happy Cesar Chavez day



Considering your party was bottoming for gaddafi.....it`s a bit lame to be dissing Hugo,who never killed an American.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 9:18:48 AM   
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Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.


Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.




It's not a matter of being too lazy. It's called we don't give a fuck to. We simply know nothing good will come of it in the end so why fucking bother, simple as that. Bothering to learn the difference means possibly encouraging the communists. Instead its better to sit back and let them know we aren't interested in any kind of dialog. Who is better for, well not for the communists, but better for the right, just how it is.


Because Imperialism is such a force for good in the world, right? Lumping all the ideologies that have developed from Marxism together and calling them Communism is moronic. The only justification for it is propaganda, and a desire to control the world. The only reason the New Right superseded the New Left is because the New Left occasionally stopped to think.

Its also very possible to be on the left without being Marxist as well you know. You could try reading some Leszek Kolakowski, or even some Raymond Williams. I bothered to read Ayn Rand for Chrissakes!

ETA: Also, Hitler? Seriously? What happened to the Socialist Party in Germany after the end of the Weimar Republic? Look up SoPaDe. Check why the KPD (the German Communist Party) were not at the Reichstag to vote against the Enabling Act. Extremists and Socialists aren't the same thing.

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 9:39:07 AM   
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saddam really fucking fucked up when he chose to go against the west.

If he was a smart guy,he would have hooked up with Exxon and instead of being bombed,would have been attending state dinners at the bush White House.

We wouldn`t have heard a word about his "gassing his own people" and WMD bull shit.
If only he had an adviser(or listened to the ones that did) tell him how "easy" the republicans are to bed and buy.......he wouldn`t be dead now.


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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 9:59:03 AM   
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Personally every leftist I know despises Putin. Of course that clashes with the rights fanatsies about progressives so I'll be called a liar or some such nonsense.

Personally, everyone on the far right I know despises Putin as he is part of the old Commie regime.

Even the Randians?
I'd have thought that the whole "government as an extension of organised crime" schtick Putin has based his career on would appeal to some of the flakier Libertarians, and his taste for cronyism and special perks for his chosen cronies is about as Ayn Rand as you can, really...

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RE: Putin to Gays; Get Your Kids Elsewhere - 3/31/2013 11:07:00 AM   
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Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.





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