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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.

Yes, yes there is. There are also similarities. At least you acknowledge the communism of the socialist/materialist left.

As Google is celebrating, Happy Cesar Chavez day

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ignorance, lazy arrogance and bloody typical response when called on your bullshit:)

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the day the most socialist man on the earth rose from the dead, Im just gonna say...
you wouldnt know the difference if it blew you.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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Bollocks, only from a truely idiotic point of view.
there is a huge difference between communism of china, russia and the UK , canada, france, germany, sweden, Holland, etc etc
Its dumbarse amercian righties, who are too lazy to want to know the difference.

QFT

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I don't think you can say the same result. Millions of people lost their lives under Stalin's dictatorship. That should count for something.

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ORIGINAL: AbsoluteOverlord

Yay Putin! Go Putin!

Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."



One Nation Under God?????????

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ORIGINAL: thezeppo

As an ideology Stalinism was made for mass-murder though.

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I'm not defending Putin, the man is a tool, but in my opinion to equate Putin to Stalin fundamentally underestimates the systematic disregard that Stalinism - and material Marxism in general - shows for human life.

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Russia's Foreign Minister opposed the ban according to a source in this thread. If this was Stalinist Russia he would be in a prison camp, or he would be dead. Not only that but he would be a traitor - his family, and friends, and anyone who had ever agreed with anything he had ever said would be in serious danger. If they ended up imprisoned or dead then they would be traitors as well, because that's how Stalinism worked.

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The international Marxist Left have never recovered from Stalinism.

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types.

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At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types.

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So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does,

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and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum,

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no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility,

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Just look at the gaddafi's case,where we had someone who was directly involved in killing Americans.

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It's not a matter of being too lazy. It's called we don't give a fuck to. We simply know nothing good will come of it in the end so why fucking bother, simple as that. Bothering to learn the difference means possibly encouraging the communists. Instead its better to sit back and let them know we aren't interested in any kind of dialog. Who is better for, well not for the communists, but better for the right, just how it is.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: TricklessMagic

Here's part of it. The left is commonly seen as unwittingly, at best, creating the pathway for these Putin types. At worst they have some kind of perverse desire to be victimized by these Putin types. So while the left might assert it doesn't mean communist, there are plenty of communists who say it does, and both types goals often seem to coalesce in some fashion. So are all lefties commie scum, no, but enough are to be a problem as some would see it. The left is seen as the party of disarmament, abandonment of responsibility, the subsidization of criminals, abandonment of morality, the empowerment of criminals (in both the streets and government), the destruction of ambition, the parasites of producers, etc. etc. etc.. I'm not saying I view all of the left as this. Many are just good people who cling to their sense of morality over reality, there are worse things. But what history has shown us, is that is where it starts. These ideals seem to lead to mass murder and purges, racism and persecution of those with different idealogies, bans on religion, bans or the stealing of personal property by the government, etc. etc. etc. Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. etc. etc.. I mean some Obama's staff held up Chairman Mao as someone to respect and emulate, huh.

It is unfair to lump all of the left in with Putin, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Lennin, etc.. But it is so damn easy given history. When you preach the stealing of private property, the disarmament of society, the empowerment of criminals, the seizure of private property (for the greater good of worthless lazy unproductive scum), it's hard not to put you in the pool with Putin. Sorry it's just how it is. Let God sort them out.

If the above was supposed to make you look like less of a political bigot, I am going to have to give it a major fail.

It's a shame that the OP could not have started the thread based solely on the subject and not try to turn it into another left vs right pissing contest.

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ORIGINAL: YN

This is an interesting opinion coming from a Tory who thinks I am a Marxist.

As for Putin, he is a political opportunist, and is the proper leader for the times of his country.

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As an ideology Stalinism was made for mass-murder though.

Would you have any validation for this moronic tripe?

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I'm not defending Putin, the man is a tool, but in my opinion to equate Putin to Stalin fundamentally underestimates the systematic disregard that Stalinism - and material Marxism in general - shows for human life.

How was that diregard for human life different in russia than it was in amerika for those targetd?

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Russia's Foreign Minister opposed the ban according to a source in this thread. If this was Stalinist Russia he would be in a prison camp, or he would be dead. Not only that but he would be a traitor - his family, and friends, and anyone who had ever agreed with anything he had ever said would be in serious danger. If they ended up imprisoned or dead then they would be traitors as well, because that's how Stalinism worked.

How do you think the tsar would have handled things?
Consider how native amerian children were taken from their parents and given to a federally sanctioned crew of child molesters and predators .

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The international Marxist Left have never recovered from Stalinism.

Marxsts have nothing to recover from while your post needs to recover some validity and eschew the "cold war rhetoric".

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Aren't you the charmer?
Flattery doesnot work either.

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Sure I would, in fact I posted it already.

All you posted was a lot of cold war rhetoric.

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What you have done here is assume that because I dislike structuralist Marxism I am anti-Marxist.

I have assumed nothing.

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That would be an incorrect assumption. I didn't say I thought Marxists had something to recover from, I said they had never recovered. We can take a look at the success of the 'old left' in Europe after 1956 if you want? I would subscribe more to the humanist side of Marxism, I'm not pro-capitalism by any means. I got more out of 1844 than Das Kapital, and more again from Gramsci, Thompson and Kolakowski. Call that moronic tripe if you will, but seeing your general style of postings in this thread and your eagerness to shout down anyone who disagrees with you I think I will take the same liberty with your reply.

I have sought to shout down no one. All I have asked you to do is validate your moronic cold war rhetoric...so far you have failed to do so.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Aren't you the charmer?
Flattery doesnot work either.

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Sure I would, in fact I posted it already.

All you posted was a lot of cold war rhetoric.

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What you have done here is assume that because I dislike structuralist Marxism I am anti-Marxist.

I have assumed nothing.

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That would be an incorrect assumption. I didn't say I thought Marxists had something to recover from, I said they had never recovered. We can take a look at the success of the 'old left' in Europe after 1956 if you want? I would subscribe more to the humanist side of Marxism, I'm not pro-capitalism by any means. I got more out of 1844 than Das Kapital, and more again from Gramsci, Thompson and Kolakowski. Call that moronic tripe if you will, but seeing your general style of postings in this thread and your eagerness to shout down anyone who disagrees with you I think I will take the same liberty with your reply.

I have sought to shout down no one. All I have asked you to do is validate your moronic cold war rhetoric...so far you have failed to do so.

Again - Thompson, Kolakowski, Gramsci. They are my validation for my beliefs. I'm not about to get into a pissing contest, but your post assumed I would think the USA more palatable than the USSR. Do you perhaps have any rhetoric of your own to add here, or do you deal solely in acerbic comments? I'm not going to defend myself against someone who hasn't even bothered to state a position.

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ORIGINAL: YN

A truly classless society would select their governmental leadership and other management much like a jury is selected in Anglo nations.

(You, you are the Foreign minister, next one you have drawn the position of Premier, and you next 50 are the legislators . . .)

But the one main flaw in the Marxist scheme is where no matter how thoroughly one equalizes the social, economic and political issues, they can not avoid the stratification of the society into those groupings commonly called the working, middle, and upper or ruling class.

In Putin's case, you have the necessary person to keep order and move things forward in the post Soviet anarchy, for could you seriously picture Obama or Cameron attempting to preside over the Russian Federation during this time?

And some of the alternatives to Putin would be significantly worse both internally and externally. Consider who the Germans or Italians came up with as the necessary leader between the last two world wars for an example.

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One of my political science professors back in college said that the spectrum was a circle...Stalin may have been communist, Putin may be "capitalist" (in quotes because I don't think that he really believes in the basic ideas of capitalism...call it cronyism), but are either of them really that different from the other? It's just a different vehicle for power and tyranny, with the same end result.