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FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the-cou... - 4/5/2013 6:15:49 AM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/health/judge-orders-fda-to-make-morning-after-pill-available-over-the-counter-for-all-ages.html?emc=na&_r=1&

FREEDOM. This is what it looks like when WOMEN have it, too.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 7:29:19 AM

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FREEDOM. This is what it looks like when WOMEN have it, too.

Didn't women already have this freedom, unless they were 16 or younger?

I assume there aren't any serious health risks associated with allowing 16-year-olds (in general...obviously individual factors can affect that) to take the medication, since the FDA had already recommended that it be done. If the medication was denied to that class of people on the basis of political expediency, that is a problem (though apparently not the FDA's fault -- I'm looking at you, Sebelius...and Obama, by extension).

But if there are legitimate health concerns, then the judge acted improperly.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 7:34:44 AM

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Didn't women already have this freedom, unless they were 16 or younger?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PJHQGAx38

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 9:58:19 AM

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can a 6yo buy tylenol? or is there and age restriction or the requirement for parental supervision.......

This sounds more like political activism than sound medical decision making

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 10:06:28 AM

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As much as I am all about the rights of the woman having control over her reproductive system, this strikes me as extreme.

How many 11 year olds know the following?

Who should not take Plan B Oral?
Check with your physician if you have any of the following:

Conditions:
Depression, Tobacco Smoking, Migraine Headache, A Blood Clot within the Blood Vessels of the Eye, Retinal Hemorrhage, Poor Vision, Optic Disk Edema, High Blood Pressure, Heart Attack, Disease of the Arteries of the Heart, Blood Clot in Lung, Chronic Heart Failure, Stroke, Obstruction of a Blood Vessel by a Blood Clot, Blood Clot in a Deep Vein, Asthma, Liver Problems, Kidney Disease, Bleeding Not Related to Menstrual Period, Seizures, Bedridden Patient or One Unable to Move Around Freely, Pregnancy, Breast Cancer, Diabetes, High Amount of Fats in the Blood, Water Retention, Porphyria, Overweight
Allergies:
PROGESTINS

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/mono-7300-LEVONORGESTREL+-+ORAL.aspx?drugid=17838&drugname=Plan+b&pagenumber=5

Not every woman will have to worry about taking it. But seems to me an 11 year old wont even know all about her own health to determine if this is safe for her to take.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 10:14:01 AM

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So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?.....

I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 10:23:40 AM

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Sounded more like a pissed off judge having to wait 12 years for disposition of this case because the FDA kept putting up walls.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 11:24:19 AM

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The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 12:27:22 PM

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And at 11 you want it easier to control the number of Red Bulls a child can have, but not access to a morning after pill?

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 12:38:32 PM

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If she's getting pregnant at 11, the little chavette can drink all the red bull she wants.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 2:19:45 PM

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Is that what all the kids are calling underage rape victims these days?

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If she's getting pregnant at 11, the little chavette can drink all the red bull she wants.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 4:09:01 PM

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I think everyone should take account of the reality that many underage pregnant girls neither have access to medical care independently of their parents, nor have the type of relationship with their parents to be open about an issue like this until it is too late to take another course of action. Denying such girls access to the morning after pill leaves them with only one alternative - pregnancy and labor. Does anyone want to go into detail about the health issues relating to pregnancy and labor in children under the age of 16? The side effects of this pill are rather minimal in comparison. Interesting how many people think that subjecting a young girl to pregnancy and labor is not a health risk......

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 4:14:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As much as I am all about the rights of the woman having control over her reproductive system, this strikes me as extreme.

How many 11 year olds know the following?

Who should not take Plan B Oral?
Check with your physician if you have any of the following:

Conditions:
Depression, Tobacco Smoking, Migraine Headache, A Blood Clot within the Blood Vessels of the Eye, Retinal Hemorrhage, Poor Vision, Optic Disk Edema, High Blood Pressure, Heart Attack, Disease of the Arteries of the Heart, Blood Clot in Lung, Chronic Heart Failure, Stroke, Obstruction of a Blood Vessel by a Blood Clot, Blood Clot in a Deep Vein, Asthma, Liver Problems, Kidney Disease, Bleeding Not Related to Menstrual Period, Seizures, Bedridden Patient or One Unable to Move Around Freely, Pregnancy, Breast Cancer, Diabetes, High Amount of Fats in the Blood, Water Retention, Porphyria, Overweight
Allergies:
PROGESTINS

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/mono-7300-LEVONORGESTREL+-+ORAL.aspx?drugid=17838&drugname=Plan+b&pagenumber=5

Not every woman will have to worry about taking it. But seems to me an 11 year old wont even know all about her own health to determine if this is safe for her to take.

But as the attorney told CBS just a few moments ago, it isn't about 11 year olds, it's about women's choice...

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 4:59:58 PM

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There is always the return of the chastity belt

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 5:09:55 PM

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Those warning label side affects are put there by lawyers and corporate executives, based on the one in a million chance that something *might* happen. The same as 'Do not insert hand or feet into lawn mower blades' warnings

Just because something is listed there gives no clue as to the medical likelihood that it will happen to any particular patient.

Those warnings aren't there for treatment, they are there for lawyers to use to defend against lawsuits.

On the other hand, there is nothing in this judge's ruling that would prohibit an individual's doctor from *advising* against the drug for medical not moral, reasons.

And, one of the uses of the morning after pill is for rape victims... of any age, and in the real world, rapists don't worry too damn much about age limits. Which made the FDAs ban based on age simply unworkable.

If someone wants to make the argument 'Better that 100 eight year olds get pregnant than a single teenager have irresponsible sex', they are welcome to go for it... I don't buy it, and I doubt if the judge did either.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?.....

I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 6:37:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As much as I am all about the rights of the woman having control over her reproductive system, this strikes me as extreme.

How many 11 year olds know the following?

Who should not take Plan B Oral?
Check with your physician if you have any of the following:

Conditions:
Depression, Tobacco Smoking, Migraine Headache, A Blood Clot within the Blood Vessels of the Eye, Retinal Hemorrhage, Poor Vision, Optic Disk Edema, High Blood Pressure, Heart Attack, Disease of the Arteries of the Heart, Blood Clot in Lung, Chronic Heart Failure, Stroke, Obstruction of a Blood Vessel by a Blood Clot, Blood Clot in a Deep Vein, Asthma, Liver Problems, Kidney Disease, Bleeding Not Related to Menstrual Period, Seizures, Bedridden Patient or One Unable to Move Around Freely, Pregnancy, Breast Cancer, Diabetes, High Amount of Fats in the Blood, Water Retention, Porphyria, Overweight
Allergies:
PROGESTINS

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/mono-7300-LEVONORGESTREL+-+ORAL.aspx?drugid=17838&drugname=Plan+b&pagenumber=5

Not every woman will have to worry about taking it. But seems to me an 11 year old wont even know all about her own health to determine if this is safe for her to take.

But as the attorney told CBS just a few moments ago, it isn't about 11 year olds, it's about women's choice...

I agree it is about women. When she becomes pregnant, medically, she is a woman, regardless of how other people feel about it and disregarding how she became pregnant.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 7:20:32 PM

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I am cracking up that my high child cannot be given a tylenol at school unless I sign a form and bring the original bottle, which has to be locked up. But an abortion pill? Hey, have at it.

Pathetic.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 7:26:22 PM

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I know. Mine couldnt have his inhaler for his asthma in his possession.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 9:41:48 PM

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And what proof do you have to support the assertion that an 8 year old can simply wander into a pharmacy and get a pill with no prescription, no consultation, period?

And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age?

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I am cracking up that my high child cannot be given a tylenol at school unless I sign a form and bring the original bottle, which has to be locked up. But an abortion pill? Hey, have at it.

Pathetic.

< Message edited by Powergamz1 -- 4/5/2013 9:42:15 PM >

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/5/2013 10:47:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

And what proof do you have to support the assertion that an 8 year old can simply wander into a pharmacy and get a pill with no prescription, no consultation, period?

And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age?

quote:

ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I am cracking up that my high child cannot be given a tylenol at school unless I sign a form and bring the original bottle, which has to be locked up. But an abortion pill? Hey, have at it.

Pathetic.

An 11 year old who has been raped should be getting those pills from the hospital as part of the rape kit, dont you think?

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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
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