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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 7:13:43 AM   
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I don't expect my child to tell me before she has sex. I also don't expect someone else to give her medication without my knowledge.

Do people really have this much trouble understanding why a parent would have a problem with this, or is the need to be right just clouding comprehension.

What about when the parent is the reason the kid needs the medication

Sorry Daddy, you just got done raping me, but are you okay with me going to the drug store and getting a drug to make sure i dont get knocked up so you can rape me some more?

Im the survivor of child rape, My mother Sold my virginity to get high, I got pregnant at age 12, and Wished to gods that this was available when i was that age, because then id be able to have children now.. Instead i have a very fucked up womb because i didnt know i was supposed to get a d&c after i miscarried and went into sepsis, Instead of pretty kids, I have parts of my insides not there and can never carry a child safely...

the reality is, 11 year olds arent going to go to the hospital for a rape kit when MOST FUCKING ADULTS DONT.... how the fuck can you expect to hold a child to a standard most adults dont do?

I went to get plan b 3 years ago when the condom broke, I was on birth control, and we used a condom, but to be 100% sure that i wouldnt have to go and get an abortion, (which my doctor said would be necessary if i got pregnant with the issues i had already) I went to get a simple little pill...

I got a 15 minute lecture on how was i sure i wanted to take this route and was it right for the baby that could be growing inside of me.. I had to go to 4 pharmacies to get the fucking over the counter pill..

What makes you think this is going to change for people who dont have my tenacity? to little 11 year olds who have been raped, instead of getting the medication they might need, they will leave and still feel scared and alone and shamed... And what if they miscarry like i did, What if they also dont know that they need a D&C? What then? Are you okay with your kid never having children, because they couldnt go and get an over the counter medication?



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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 9:53:23 AM   
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The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.



You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.


Are people really complaining about BIRTH CONTROL ( which the morning after pill is ) being used as BIRTH CONTROL?

And CIGARETTES are still sold at drug stores, huh? What do you suppose people are using them to treat?

The hyperbole isn't too far off. Let's pick some OTC meds, and compare the potential side effects?

Tylenol has killed more people than the morning after pills ever will. ( You know, because day-old unimplanted cells aren't PEOPLE... )

http://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/tylenol.php


No that is not what I am complaining about. I am complaining about allowing kids access to drugs that they are not old enough to fully understand.

There are a lot of things besides drugs sold at drug stores. Maybe you should get out into the real world more often.

Yes Tylenol had killed people. That is because it has side effects and because some people abuse the drug and taken incorrectly it can kill you. Are you implying that the morning after drug will only affect that day old cell? You don't think there are side effects to the mother as well? Have you read any of the research on this drug? Do you know how often it can be used safely?

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 10:00:55 AM   
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The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.



You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.


Uh, RedBull contains caffeine and sugar.....there are lots of studies showing the dangers of both.....


I was refering to studies on the use of the morning after pill by teens.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 1:47:38 PM   
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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 7:53:24 PM   
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can a 6yo buy tylenol?


Yes, they can. There's no age restriction on purchasing any over-the-counter drug except for cough syrup and diet pills, and the former only because teens OD on it to get high.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 7:55:05 PM   
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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 8:00:14 PM   
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I think everyone should also take into account how stupid girls can be at that age and how easy it would be for them to use this as a form of birth control without taking into account the possible dangers of repeated use. Do you want to go into detail about the health issues regarding misusing medication and the possible effects on a young body that has not finished developing yet? Do you honestly think your scenario happens enough to justify putting that many more kids at risk?


Have you ever taken Plan B? It feels like a horse is kicking you in the uterus. Nobody would take that shit more than once unless they needed it.

And I can't imagine that any likely side effect of it would be more harmful to a 12-year old girl than giving birth.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 8:03:22 PM   
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No that is not what I am complaining about. I am complaining about allowing kids access to drugs that they are not old enough to fully understand.

There are a lot of things besides drugs sold at drug stores. Maybe you should get out into the real world more often.

Yes Tylenol had killed people. That is because it has side effects and because some people abuse the drug and taken incorrectly it can kill you. Are you implying that the morning after drug will only affect that day old cell? You don't think there are side effects to the mother as well? Have you read any of the research on this drug? Do you know how often it can be used safely?


And yet, we allow 12-year olds to buy Tylenol without a question.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/7/2013 8:04:30 PM   
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What is odd I find is the basis of the decision is that they didn't want it behind the counter in case the pharmacy closed......Sure you have to go to the window to get the drug, but what about other 'harmless' drugs. Like Sudafed, I have a stuffy nose and want to get some sleep but I need ID and an anal probe?


When people start stealing whole shopping carts worth of Plan B to make illegal addictive drugs with it, they'll lock it back up in the pharmacy. You can count on that.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 7:34:34 AM   
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The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.



You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.


Uh, RedBull contains caffeine and sugar.....there are lots of studies showing the dangers of both.....


I was refering to studies on the use of the morning after pill by teens.


This is a FDA approved drug. The following side effects are noted

nausea
abdominal pain
fatigue
headache
menstrual changes
dizziness
breast tenderness
vomiting
diarrhea

It is my understanding that none of these side effects are permanent. In other words, these side effects don't sound to me too different from a whole host of other drugs, like antibiotics and pain killers and otc allergy medication, that people use and have mild side effects from, generally during the specific time period that they are actually ingesting the drug. Tylenol seems to have more serious long term side effects associated with its use.

As for abuse of the Plan B drug, at a cost of $30-$60 for a one time use, I don't really think young teenage women are going to start using this every time they have sex. In other words, other methods of birth control are significantly cheaper. The pill only costs $15-$50 per month - for unlimited sex, if you will. Plan B has to be purchased and used every time someone has sex in order to actually use it for ongoing birth control. At its current cost, no one would ever use it that way. So I think the side effect risks are actually incredibly low as compared to things like Tylenol or even Red Bull (which people use regularly), and significantly lower and less dangerous than the side effects of pregnancy and labor. The point of this drug is that a woman would use it as a precaution under unusual circumstances - and at its current price point, I don't see women using this too frequently. When I'm in a relationship I'm having sex pretty much daily. Plan B would cost a minimum of $900/month for me to use it every single day. I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone would use this drug regularly. I'm hard pressed to see any teen being able to afford this drug other than extremely occasional use. I see this an emergency use drug, and used in that manner, I really can't see where the risks are that bad. In fact, the risks seem really low all things considered.




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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 7:36:00 AM   
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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 7:58:25 AM   
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You have to have a prescription for birth control pills.


My point was actually that Plan B is more expensive than one of the more expensive forms of birth control (and many, if not most, otc birth control options are far cheaper than birth control pills). I still stand by my statement that no one is going to start using Plan B with a regularity that would be of any long-term health risk. I just don't see it.

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One of the reasons that birth control pills are prescription is that they have more serious side effects, they are used regularly, and their use has to be monitored by a physician to determine if the dosage is working in a way that is not causing too many ill effects. I don't see any of these issues with Plan B.




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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 8:00:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I never said they were. The only problem with your analogy was that now Plan B would be available to everyone without a prescription.

I can see ways of abusing that. What happens if its given to a pregnant woman?

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 8:01:30 AM   
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I never said they were. The only problem with your analogy was that now Plan B would be available to everyone without a prescription.

I can see ways of abusing that. What happens if its given to a pregnant woman?


Plan B doesn't work if you are already pregnant.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 8:17:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know it doesnt work to terminate the pregnancy, and the literature indicates there is no reason to believe it results in birth defects. Some of the side effects from Plan B alone could terminate a pregnancy

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 9:30:41 AM   
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This article isn't about your child, or about Tylenol (which does not require a prescription, unlike the pill). This article is about a prescription that was specifically developed for among other things, rape victims, no matter who their parents are.

The old rule made it impossible for any parent, or any doctor to help an underage rape victim avoid becoming pregnant by their rapist. The judge took that away, and now underage rape victims and their parents can go to a doctor and get the prescription.

There is no way to handwave that into not being a factor. So any argument favoring the old rule, automatically carries with it *all* of the factors, not just some.



If you are going to attempt to be belligerent and act like you are some type of lawyer, it helps to have some reading comprehension. The very first line of the OP's link:

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A federal judge on Friday ordered that the most common morning-after pill be made available over the counter for all ages, instead of requiring a prescription for girls 16 and younger.


You do understand that a prescription makes it available, right?

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 9:40:29 AM   
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You have to have a prescription for birth control pills.


Well, there's another thing we need to fix. We need this stuff to be so available that instead of regulating abortion, they're busy trying to reregulate contraception.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 9:42:33 AM   
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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 9:48:31 AM   
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I think everyone should also take into account how stupid girls can be at that age and how easy it would be for them to use this as a form of birth control without taking into account the possible dangers of repeated use. Do you want to go into detail about the health issues regarding misusing medication and the possible effects on a young body that has not finished developing yet? Do you honestly think your scenario happens enough to justify putting that many more kids at risk?


This mitigates it (thanks Tazzy):

Levonorgestrel is available as a nonprescription medication for women 17 years of age and older, and by prescription only for women younger than 17 years of age. If you are younger than 17, you will need to talk to a doctor to get a prescription for levonorgestrel. If you are 17 years of age or older you can buy levonorgestrel at a pharmacy. Levonorgestrel is kept behind the pharmacy counter and you will need to show the pharmacist your driver's license or other government-issued identification that shows your age in order to purchase the medication.

I believe this should be true everywhere and am opposed to vending machines on college campuses.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 9:50:42 AM   
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I don't expect my child to tell me before she has sex. I also don't expect someone else to give her medication without my knowledge.

Do people really have this much trouble understanding why a parent would have a problem with this, or is the need to be right just clouding comprehension.

What about when the parent is the reason the kid needs the medication

Sorry Daddy, you just got done raping me, but are you okay with me going to the drug store and getting a drug to make sure i dont get knocked up so you can rape me some more?

Im the survivor of child rape, My mother Sold my virginity to get high, I got pregnant at age 12, and Wished to gods that this was available when i was that age, because then id be able to have children now.. Instead i have a very fucked up womb because i didnt know i was supposed to get a d&c after i miscarried and went into sepsis, Instead of pretty kids, I have parts of my insides not there and can never carry a child safely...

the reality is, 11 year olds arent going to go to the hospital for a rape kit when MOST FUCKING ADULTS DONT.... how the fuck can you expect to hold a child to a standard most adults dont do?

I went to get plan b 3 years ago when the condom broke, I was on birth control, and we used a condom, but to be 100% sure that i wouldnt have to go and get an abortion, (which my doctor said would be necessary if i got pregnant with the issues i had already) I went to get a simple little pill...

I got a 15 minute lecture on how was i sure i wanted to take this route and was it right for the baby that could be growing inside of me.. I had to go to 4 pharmacies to get the fucking over the counter pill..

What makes you think this is going to change for people who dont have my tenacity? to little 11 year olds who have been raped, instead of getting the medication they might need, they will leave and still feel scared and alone and shamed... And what if they miscarry like i did, What if they also dont know that they need a D&C? What then? Are you okay with your kid never having children, because they couldnt go and get an over the counter medication?



I do understand the point you are trying to make. However, there are a couple of problems with the thought process you are having.

First of all, it is highly unlikely that "Plan B" is going to be getting commercials on television any time soon, so how many 12 year olds do you think are going to know about it? You likely would have been as unaware of Plan B as you were about the possible need for a D&C after a miscarriage (which is NOT always medically necessary by the way).

Second, keeping the secret isn't exactly healthy, is it? Do you not think a pharmacist might question a 12 year old who is asking for this item? It isn't, after all, cough medicine. So a pharmacist seeing an 11 year old CHILD asking for Plan B might have a couple of questions for the girl, and rightly so. In which case, the authorities are going to become involved, and should be involved.

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