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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

I think everyone should take account of the reality that many underage pregnant girls neither have access to medical care independently of their parents, nor have the type of relationship with their parents to be open about an issue like this until it is too late to take another course of action. Denying such girls access to the morning after pill leaves them with only one alternative - pregnancy and labor. Does anyone want to go into detail about the health issues relating to pregnancy and labor in children under the age of 16? The side effects of this pill are rather minimal in comparison. Interesting how many people think that subjecting a young girl to pregnancy and labor is not a health risk......

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

I think everyone should take account of the reality that many underage pregnant girls neither have access to medical care independently of their parents, nor have the type of relationship with their parents to be open about an issue like this until it is too late to take another course of action. Denying such girls access to the morning after pill leaves them with only one alternative - pregnancy and labor. Does anyone want to go into detail about the health issues relating to pregnancy and labor in children under the age of 16? The side effects of this pill are rather minimal in comparison. Interesting how many people think that subjecting a young girl to pregnancy and labor is not a health risk......

I think everyone should also take into account how stupid girls can be at that age and how easy it would be for them to use this as a form of birth control without taking into account the possible dangers of repeated use. Do you want to go into detail about the health issues regarding misusing medication and the possible effects on a young body that has not finished developing yet? Do you honestly think your scenario happens enough to justify putting that many more kids at risk?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.

You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.

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And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Those warning label side affects are put there by lawyers and corporate executives, based on the one in a million chance that something *might* happen. The same as 'Do not insert hand or feet into lawn mower blades' warnings

Just because something is listed there gives no clue as to the medical likelihood that it will happen to any particular patient.

Those warnings aren't there for treatment, they are there for lawyers to use to defend against lawsuits.

On the other hand, there is nothing in this judge's ruling that would prohibit an individual's doctor from *advising* against the drug for medical not moral, reasons.

And, one of the uses of the morning after pill is for rape victims... of any age, and in the real world, rapists don't worry too damn much about age limits. Which made the FDAs ban based on age simply unworkable.

If someone wants to make the argument 'Better that 100 eight year olds get pregnant than a single teenager have irresponsible sex', they are welcome to go for it... I don't buy it, and I doubt if the judge did either.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?.....

I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle



And CIGARETTES are still sold at drug stores, huh? What do you suppose people are using them to treat?

The hyperbole isn't too far off. Let's pick some OTC meds, and compare the potential side effects?

Tylenol has killed more people than the morning after pills ever will. ( You know, because day-old unimplanted cells aren't PEOPLE... )

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

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And what justification do you have to use that Tylenol analogy to deny these pills to a rape victim based on age?

Apparently your...ahem....vehemence clouds your comprehension. I said nothing about denying rape victims anything. I said I do not want MY child to be given any type of hormonal/BC/reproductive medication with out MY knowledge......and I used to tylenol analogy because tylenol is much less controversial to give to a child than the morning after pill.


But nice attempt at emotional manipulation.

And no....I don;t think anyone here is opposed to birth control. The PARENTS here are opposed to our young children taking a medication that would seem to indicate something sexual and possibly traumatic had happened to them....and we might never know. The idea that my CHILD could come home after having been sexually active or raped at 12 years old AND have been given a high dose of hormones....and I would never know what made her sick or sad or why she was having nightmares or why she might one day end up suicidal....I would be her mother and never know any of this because some idiot took care of it without my knowledge.

It ain't rocket surgery, people.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

According to the OP it wasn't prohibited, just required a prescription under 16.......

What is odd I find is the basis of the decision is that they didn't want it behind the counter in case the pharmacy closed......Sure you have to go to the window to get the drug, but what about other 'harmless' drugs. Like Sudafed, I have a stuffy nose and want to get some sleep but I need ID and an anal probe?

If the judge wanted to challenge the FDA stance on requiring a script, that's one thing. Once it became about selling it anywhere at anytime, it became political and not policy based on public health and safety.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Those warning label side affects are put there by lawyers and corporate executives, based on the one in a million chance that something *might* happen. The same as 'Do not insert hand or feet into lawn mower blades' warnings

Just because something is listed there gives no clue as to the medical likelihood that it will happen to any particular patient.

Those warnings aren't there for treatment, they are there for lawyers to use to defend against lawsuits.

On the other hand, there is nothing in this judge's ruling that would prohibit an individual's doctor from *advising* against the drug for medical not moral, reasons.

And, one of the uses of the morning after pill is for rape victims... of any age, and in the real world, rapists don't worry too damn much about age limits. Which made the FDAs ban based on age simply unworkable.

If someone wants to make the argument 'Better that 100 eight year olds get pregnant than a single teenager have irresponsible sex', they are welcome to go for it... I don't buy it, and I doubt if the judge did either.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

So pretty much, this is political activism turning a blind eye to medical science and patient safety...... What about the right/duty of a parent to be involved as a gaurdian of their child?.....

I am all for plan B, but even CO said you had to be 21 to smoke pot when it is legal. You have to be safe....

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Not quite It was Rx for everybody, and it was forbidden to anyone under 17.

Now it is still a prescription medication, but that prescription can be written by a doctor for younger patients.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The shit in a red bull is more dangerous in terms of potential side effects.

You know this for a fact do you? You have seen the studies they have done on the effects of this drug on teens? You have seen the studies on what happens if kids use this drug on a regular basis? Sorry but I am going to have to call bullshit on this one.

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I am cracking up that my high child cannot be given a tylenol at school unless I sign a form and bring the original bottle, which has to be locked up. But an abortion pill? Hey, have at it.

Pathetic.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Not quite It was Rx for everybody, and it was forbidden to anyone under 17.

Now it is still a prescription medication, but that prescription can be written by a doctor for younger patients.

No, it was prescription required for under 17. Over it was behind the counter.

'Morning after' pill will stay prescription-only for girls under 17

In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription.

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub
In July 2009, Plan B was approved for use without a prescription for females aged 17 and older, but girls under 17 needed a prescription.

For this still ranting about it being prohibited for girls under 17 until this ruling.

Say it with me:

Fonzie

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It is a prescription medicine, end of story. (At least until the federal government reads your post and realizes how terribly and foolishly wrong they were to think that just because they scheduled it as a prescription medicine, it actually was a prescription medicine)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a610021.html

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who you knew wasn't really listening to anything you say because they were already forming their next response and were so convinced they were right that any facts you might have were not even....on their radar?

Yeah.


I never said plan B was next to the Tylenol. I am pretty certain it was clear it is typically behind the counter (like the test strips to test blood sugar at Walgreens). And it isn't the "consequences" I am speaking of anyway - it is - again -

The fact that my child could make such a decision while underage and I would never even know. If my child is raped, or even if she decide to have underage sex, I cannot bear the thought of her having to grapple with this on her own. I KNOW that pain. I want to know if my child is taking a medication.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/health/judge-orders-fda-to-make-morning-after-pill-available-over-the-counter-for-all-ages.html?emc=na&_r=1&

FREEDOM. This is what it looks like when WOMEN have it, too.