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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 11:09:11 AM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication

If they can't do their job they need a different one...I don't need lectured about why I want plan be or why I was on birth control at such a young age... I need them to do their job

And 9 and 10 year olds in the public schools around me get told about plan b so...

And them helping me would have ment I wouldn't be here today because my mother would and has tried to kill me for telling anyone.. you thibk pepple who rape little children have issues with killing them so thry don't go to jail? If you do your more niave then I ever thought you were...

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 11:17:13 AM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication


Actually, patient teaching is very much a pharmacists job. Depending on the state, they are required to ask certain questions depending on the medication. And part of that job would be asking if she were pregnant. Thats not a lecture.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 11:51:46 AM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication




Funny, when I go to the pharmacy to get a new prescription filled, I am always brought over to the consultation area and the pharmacist:
a) tells me what the medication is and what it is prescribed for and tells me the directions regarding dose and # of times/day
b) points out any special instructions/warnings the medication has
c) asks me if I have any questions about this medication


They are not advising me because they have any personal issues with dispensing the prescribed medication
It is not a lecture.
He/She is just doing their job.



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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 11:57:01 AM   
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You have to have a prescription for birth control pills.


Well, there's another thing we need to fix. We need this stuff to be so available that instead of regulating abortion, they're busy trying to reregulate contraception.


fargle, I'm with you on the Plan B, but not on birth control pills. There are a wide variety of birth control pills out there, and they are different and have different effects on people. The only way for a woman to really get the correct pill for her (and remember this is something that they take every single day) is to be monitored by a doctor. Plan B is a very, very different medication in my mind, because it is single use and so there aren't the ongoing effects to monitor. I'm not sure how a woman would navigate the vast array of oral contraception without a doctor's assistance. Most women get an annual gyn exam, most young women are still being seen by a pediatrician - it is easy enough to make oral contraception part of that conversation at the time. Plan B needs to be taken within such a short time after sex that it seems a huge constraint to require a prescription. Requiring a prescription for it pretty much removes a young woman's access to it. By the time she makes an appointment to see a doctor, the window is probably gone. So I see the two things as quite different, and requiring a different level of medical monitoring.

And to those who continue to fear Plan B's use as ongoing birth control - I've outlined what the costs would be in an earlier post. No one in their right mind would use Plan B as ongoing birth control. Not really economically feasible. Just because a drug is otc doesn't mean it is going to be cheap.....

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 12:02:07 PM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication


Actually, patient teaching is very much a pharmacists job. Depending on the state, they are required to ask certain questions depending on the medication. And part of that job would be asking if she were pregnant. Thats not a lecture.

No, it isn't.
And refusing to fill a prescription or hand over medication for personal reasons isn't patient teaching, either.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 12:06:10 PM   
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No that is not what I am complaining about. I am complaining about allowing kids access to drugs that they are not old enough to fully understand.




And yet you think the lifetime implications of an unwanted pregnancy and labor is something that young people understand? Because that is the alternative.

Again, all else being equal, Plan B seems much lower risk, and with no long term consequences, unlike an unwanted pregnancy which is for life.

Young people are having sex. And the implications of this are not always something they understand. I don't think "lack of understanding" is a sufficient reason to deny them access to this drug. If that were the case then there should be mandatory abortions for any underage woman who gets pregnant, because, trust me, none of them truly understands the medical, let alone the other implications of pregnancy, labor, and having and raising a child for the rest of their lives.

If we want to make the standard in health care "understanding the full medical implications of what you are doing", then most medical care in this country would have to cease. Most people do not fully understand the full medical implications of the products and services they receive. I don't think this is the right standard to use. Such a standard calls into question most of the drug use in this country.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 1:26:37 PM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication


Actually, patient teaching is very much a pharmacists job. Depending on the state, they are required to ask certain questions depending on the medication. And part of that job would be asking if she were pregnant. Thats not a lecture.

No, it isn't.
And refusing to fill a prescription or hand over medication for personal reasons isn't patient teaching, either.


Moon, here is it.

Does the pharmacist have to talk to the patient about prescription medication?

The pharmacist is required to talk to you about all new prescription medications that have not been provided to you before. You should know the answers to at least the following questions before taking prescription medications:

What is the name of the medicine and what is it supposed to do?
How and when do I take it and for how long?
What do I do if I forget to take my medicine?
Are there any side effects, and what do I do if they occur?
Is there any written information available about the medicine?


http://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/consumers/consumer_tips.shtml

Is my pharmacist required to give me information about my prescriptions?

Yes. When you receive a new prescription, the pharmacist is required to verbally counsel you about the prescription and also provide you written information about the prescription drug. The pharmacist may provide you with information such as:

the name and description of the drug;
dosage form, route of administration, and duration of therapy;
special directions and precautions;
common severe side or adverse effects or interactions that may be encountered;
techniques for self-monitoring of drug therapy;
proper storage;
refill information; and
action to be taken in the event of a missed dose.
Pharmacists may also provide additional information when they believe that the information is necessary and in your best interest.

In addition, every pharmacy is required to make available to you a patient reference, which provides written information designed for the consumer about prescription drugs. This reference must be easily accessible to all consumers in the pharmacy.


http://www.tsbp.state.tx.us/consumer/broch8.htm

Restricted OTC Substances
An ill-defined third category of substances comprises those products having over-the-counter status from the FDA, while being simultaneously subject to other restrictions on sale. While these products are legally classified as OTC drugs, they are typically stored behind the counter and are sold only in stores that are registered with their state. Such items may be unavailable in convenience or grocery stores that stock other non-restricted OTC medications.
For example, many U.S. drugstores have moved products containing pseudoephedrine, an OTC product, into locations where customers must ask a pharmacist for them. A prescription is not required; the change has been made in an effort to reduce methamphetamine production. Since the passage of the Illinois Methamphetamine Precursor Control Act and the subsequent Federal Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005, the purchase of pseudoephedrine in the United States is restricted. Sellers of pseudoephedrine must obtain and record the identity of the purchaser and enforce quantity restrictions. Some states may have more stringent requirements (e.g., Oregon, where a medical prescription is required to purchase any quantity of pseudoephedrine). After initial attempts to control meth use by requiring documentation of sale with government issued ID as well as limits on the quantity an individual could purchase failed to realize meaningful reductions in methamphetamine use and production, Mississippi passed House Bill 512 in the State Senate on February 2, 2010," to require a prescription from a licensed medical professional to purchase over-the-counter medicines with pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, or any other precursor chemical that can readily and illicitly be converted into methamphetamine, Methcathinone or any active/scheduled analogs of Phenylethylamines/ amphetamine. Despite these restrictions, products containing the substance are still OTC in most states, since no prescription is required.
A similar regulation applies to various forms of Emergency Contraception. The FDA considers these products to be OTC substances for women aged 17 or over, but prescription drugs for younger women.[3] To enforce this restriction and to provide counseling and education on proper use, an agreement between the manufacturer and the FDA requires that these drugs are stored behind the pharmacy counter. Women may obtain the medication without a prescription after providing proof of age to pharmacy staff and receiving any necessary patient education.[4]
Furthermore, some Schedule V controlled substances may be classified as OTC products in certain states. Such drugs are sold without a prescription, but are subject to record-keeping rules and quantity and/or age restrictions, and must be dispensed by a pharmacy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-counter_drug#Restricted_OTC_Substances

You will note I never once said it was due to personal reasons, neither did LL here

Also note that I have included both prescription and over the counter meds.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 1:32:08 PM   
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You have to have a prescription for birth control pills.


Well, there's another thing we need to fix. We need this stuff to be so available that instead of regulating abortion, they're busy trying to reregulate contraception.


fargle, I'm with you on the Plan B, but not on birth control pills. There are a wide variety of birth control pills out there, and they are different and have different effects on people. The only way for a woman to really get the correct pill for her (and remember this is something that they take every single day) is to be monitored by a doctor. Plan B is a very, very different medication in my mind, because it is single use and so there aren't the ongoing effects to monitor. I'm not sure how a woman would navigate the vast array of oral contraception without a doctor's assistance. Most women get an annual gyn exam, most young women are still being seen by a pediatrician - it is easy enough to make oral contraception part of that conversation at the time. Plan B needs to be taken within such a short time after sex that it seems a huge constraint to require a prescription. Requiring a prescription for it pretty much removes a young woman's access to it. By the time she makes an appointment to see a doctor, the window is probably gone. So I see the two things as quite different, and requiring a different level of medical monitoring.

And to those who continue to fear Plan B's use as ongoing birth control - I've outlined what the costs would be in an earlier post. No one in their right mind would use Plan B as ongoing birth control. Not really economically feasible. Just because a drug is otc doesn't mean it is going to be cheap.....


Birth control pills carry the risk for side effects, as do all medications.

For me, the pill caused my BP to skyrocket: to a point where they were worried about my stroking out.
I know someone else who was a non-smoker and who got several pulmonary emboli with her first birth control pack.
She nearly died and still has lingering effects.



One of the issues with making it over the counter vs prescription is that it gives insurance companies a reason not to pay.
And at $30-35 a dose (as mentioned by another poster), very few teens can afford it.... many adult women can't either.





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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 1:38:09 PM   
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No that is not what I am complaining about. I am complaining about allowing kids access to drugs that they are not old enough to fully understand.



Something to think about:
Adolescents age 15 through 19 are twice as likely to die during pregnancy or child birth as those over age 20; girls under age 15 are five times more likely to die.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/component/content/article/436-adolescent-maternal-mortality-an-overlooked-crisis

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 4:06:42 PM   
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So

The Questions like the following is my pharmacists Job?

Honey, Your so young, what if this makes you sterile You know thats a possible side effect, you could never have kids because of taking this. Are you really sure you want this?
But what about adoption, you know theres so many families that want kids who cant have them why dont you carry the child to term and give it up for adoption
But you could be killing your baby, dont you feel guilt and remorse over that.

No? Then why the fuck has every person I know whos asked for Plan b and My interactions myself on asking it gone like this?

Because they arent doing their job,

My pharmacists job is to say Heres your plan b, do you need any further information about it? No, Okay that will be... You have a good day now...


And Never have i been counseled on what im taking, im handed my drugs, asked if i have questions and go on my merry little way.... If getting an OTC, I hand over my id if needed they hand me said drug


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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 4:37:02 PM   
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I dont recall anyone saying a pharmacist will ask those questions.

Could you already be pregnant?

When was your last period?

What other medications are you taking?

All pertinent medical questions.

And then there are pharmacists who refuse to dispense.

quote:

My pharmacists job is to say Heres your plan b, do you need any further information about it? No, Okay that will be... You have a good day now...


And Never have i been counseled on what im taking, im handed my drugs, asked if i have questions and go on my merry little way.... If getting an OTC, I hand over my id if needed they hand me said drug


I would find another pharmacy. Then again maybe Im the only one that has had a medication mistake caught because of the pharmacist and I discussing my medications.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 4:50:15 PM   
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IM SAYING THE PHARMICISTS ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS

Do you need me to say it again slowly so you can understand it, I said it
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I got a 15 minute lecture on how was i sure i wanted to take this route and was it right for the baby that could be growing inside of me.. I had to go to 4 pharmacies to get the fucking over the counter pill..




And HERE
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.


AND here
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I don't need lectured about why I want plan be or why I was on birth control at such a young age... I need them to do their job.




Do you need me to say it ONE MORE TIME for you to get it through you head that this is what the morons who cant do what their assigned job do instead?

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:01:34 PM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.


And here you were WRONG! I dont give a shit about your personal experience, that can be made up like anything else. I do know what they ask, why they ask, and if you have one that doesnt ask, you have a piss poor pharmacist that may end up getting you injured or killed.

quote:

IM SAYING THE PHARMICISTS ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS


And we know you are telling the truth... how? Not that I give a damn at this point.

But dont bite MY head off because I responded to something you so obviously had wrong.

It IS a pharmacists job, and right, to ask questions. You dont like the questions, go elsewhere until you find one that doesnt give a damn.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:06:37 PM   
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I am sorry you had that experience.

it is legal in some states for pharmacists to refuse to dispense birth control on moral grounds.
That is different than providing truthful and accurate information...which you did not get.

However, you should report them to the state pharmacy board for dispensing wrong information:
Plan B does not induce miscarriage on women who take it as it is intended.
It prevents a pregnancy from occurring... which is entirely different than killing your baby as there simply is No Baby at that point.
To state the obvious, only pregnant women get abortions.
It can not make you sterile.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:07:28 PM   
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And I disagree, and go to a pharmacist who wont ask me questions because im not a fucking moron who just takes what the doctor says. When i get prescribed something before I get it filled I look up the information myself...

But then I dont rely on an 18 year old high school drop out, who cant count to 5 let alone know if drug a interacts with drug b well.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:09:43 PM   
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Angelika, I did and Have reported and since 2 of the 4 have been closed because they were allowing 15 year olds to fill prescriptions because you know its just looking at a bottle...

I know these things arent true, i told them they were misinformed, however I still got the guilt trip, Just like i would when i would get my birth control filled, because you know a girl my age shouldnt be having sex... (mind you I needed it for reasons other then birth control)

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:17:33 PM   
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And I disagree, and go to a pharmacist who wont ask me questions because im not a fucking moron who just takes what the doctor says. When i get prescribed something before I get it filled I look up the information myself...

But then I dont rely on an 18 year old high school drop out, who cant count to 5 let alone know if drug a interacts with drug b well.


But you expect an 11 year old to rely upon..... whom?

As far as "looking things up". Im an RN. I ask my Doctor questions, I ask my pharmacy questions, and I investigate on my own.

If you are dealing with an 18 year old high school drop out, you arent dealing with the Pharmacist.

Learn what credentials they are required to have and which people you should be asking questions of.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 5:24:51 PM   
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Tazzy,

I grew up in Pennsyltucky, They really dont give a flying rats ass about supposed to, the closest pharmacy by my mom has one licensed pharmacist, whos 82 and works maybe 5 hours a week but they are open 7-8 m-f 9-5 saturday and 10-2 sunday... And thats the only one within 20 miles

Just because some people have actual pharmacists, doesnt mean everyone does, and I know my area cant be the ONLY one like this in the entire country.




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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 6:14:37 PM   
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What you seem to be too angry to understand is that there ARE laws about these things. Should a pharmacist be asking the questions YOU presented? Of course not.

But let's look at something else here. You say that if they asked an 11 year old questions, they would get them killed because that is what child rapists will do. So I guess in your mind, it is better to protect said rapists and allow them to continue to harm a child? Bullshit.

So if a pharmacist asks questions of an 11 year old asking for Plan B, those basic questions could also save that child's life.

Oh and for your info, if there was suspected sexual assault, the child wouldn't be sent home before authorities were called in.

My suggestion to you is that you get some appropriate therapy since you obviously have not gotten past any of the horrible things that happened in your childhood. I am sorry they happened, but if you think you have "gotten through it," you are very mistaken.

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RE: FDA must make Morning After pill available over-the... - 4/8/2013 6:39:43 PM   
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No the pharmicist shouldn't be asking questions.. its not their job.. their moral and personal values have no place in their job. If they can't do their job effectively they should be fired.

Its a pharmicists job to fill a prescription or had over over the counter medicaion that has a high risk of being stolen.. not lecture anyone 10 15 30 or 50 about the use of said medication

If they can't do their job they need a different one...I don't need lectured about why I want plan be or why I was on birth control at such a young age... I need them to do their job

And 9 and 10 year olds in the public schools around me get told about plan b so...

And them helping me would have ment I wouldn't be here today because my mother would and has tried to kill me for telling anyone.. you thibk pepple who rape little children have issues with killing them so thry don't go to jail? If you do your more niave then I ever thought you were...



So you don't think a pharmacist should say anything if they suspect abuse? Because I am sorry but the only way an 11 year old can become pregnant is if she was abused. What is a child came in black and blue and asked for bandages? Do you think they should ignore that also? I can understand how horrific it must be to be a child in this situation, but just turning a blind eye doesn't seem to be the best answer to me. I think it is terrible that no one found out what was going on and helped you but I don't see how ignoring it helped in anyway.

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