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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 12:45:13 PM   
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I don't need your permission to contribute, Rich. When will you learn that?

But I take it by "false equivalency" you mean we have one principle for a nation we perceive as weak and a different principle for a nation we perceive can really do us harm. And never mind destroying maybe hundreds of thousands of lives just because we can. Too bad your OP is cloudy on the issue of principle. Not surprised however.



You don't need my permission to post, Vince, but I decide who I want to talk to.

And no. By false equivalency, I mean comparing a stable state that has earned a place among the serious nations of the earth, to a condemned and pathetic rogue state that want to get there by bluster and threats.

If that comparison is what you wish to argue, then you ain't gonna make the cut for what's worth my time, especially on a day where I'm popping in during breaks in rebuilding the fence that blew over last week.

China earned a place among the serious nations of the world by selling cheap labor. They have immense internal problems of which we seldom hear. Maybe not as stable as you think.

Given that there are pathetic "rogue" states why is the facile solution the firing of nuclear tipped missles by us when we were quite successful in containing a much greater threat in the cold war with the Soviets. If NK is a pathetic state they will soon enough implode without assistance of the Neocons.

Why such a criminal disregard for the lives of millions of people?

Too bad you cannot specifiy the principle you rely upon in the OP. Just a throwaway line you thought would go unchallenged then?

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 1:23:36 PM   
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Just a throwaway line you thought would go unchallenged then?



Nope. For those with a clue, it was all that was needed to start a timely conversation, and for those without, a hurdle they can look silly trying to puzzle out.

In Pyongyang, it's a cool morning, where the sun will soon rise on Kim Il Sung's 101st birthday. Let us hope they keep the party to themselves.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 1:57:44 PM   
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I wanted to add: Both the Korean and Vietnam wars were civil wars which we stuck our nose into. This is not the same situation. Kim-Kim is directly threatening the United States and it's territories in the Pacific.




Stuck our noses into, yes. Civil wars, no.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 4:39:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The best way to deal with North Korea is to convince the Chinese to apply their "leverage" on North Korea.Thats exactly what John Kerry just recently did.For once,China is in a unique position to prevent disaster from happening in their region.Even the U.S. is asking for Chinas help in this manner.If China wants to prove to be a "big player on the international stage",then here is Chinas best chance to prove that now.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 9:42:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Watch the BBC documentary. See what a North Korean missile looks like. I've seen dicks that can shoot farther.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/14/2013 9:44:18 PM   
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Watch the BBC documentary.



Linky?

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 12:49:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Poor Little Kimmy ..... what a pickle he finds himself in. Little Kimmy has just inherited the family business and like any sensible business owner, is seeking to expand operations. Little Kimmy's problem is that there are no suitable companies for him to unleash his rapacious forces on.

Market forces, usually the friend of an ambitious businessman have reduced the number of potential takeover targets to two, and neither of them is particularly satisfactory. Yes the market has decreed that he must limit his ambitions to the only places linked by land to Hermit Kingdom HQ. The failure of previous franchise operators to develop competitive sea and air divisions for the family business means that he is reduced to a single takeover strategy -acquisition by land - and unfortunately for Little Kimmy powerful rival conglomerates have already swallowed up the options for the only operations with striking distance by land from his stronghold in the Hermit Kingdom.

So Little Kimmy is facing one helluva dilemma as he sets out to make his mark in a somewhat skeptical business world, and parlay a dominant provincial operation into a truly global one capable of competing in all markets. He's all cashed up but there's nothing suitable for sale in the market place. Little Kimmy has turned to his boffins for a solution to this dilemma, and they have come up with a revolutionary but as yet untested strategy - the missile strategy. Little Kimmy hopes to by pass the subsidiary provincial operations of his rivals and strike at their very heartland - threatening the mother companies with his missiles. If it pays off for Little Kimmy he will be hailed as a genius, if it fails it could spell ruin for the family dynasty.

Seasoned market observers are unconvinced and have short sold his stock, forcing Little Kimmy's share price to take a hammering. Can this untested strategy deliver the goods for Little Kimmy? Is his cash flow sufficient to keep his shareholders and bankers happy? Can Little Kimmy turn crisis into opportunity and emerge triumphant? Keep up with the latest developments on 'Entertainment News' the only new program with the inside running on the long running controversial "Hermit Kingdom" series, the high-rating flagship of the legendary 'Toys4Boys' production team.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 2:16:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I might be mistaken but as I understand it, we never actually signed any kind of peace agreement with North Korea at the end of the Korean War. If that is correct then it seems to me that this would be an excellent opportunity to shuffle the diplomatic deck by forcing NK into a change of the political norm. Why not try stopping our aid and blowing their missles out of the sky until they agree to a formalized peace between us and Seoul? I think we could justify that kind of response given the nearly unprecedented level of threatening bullshit coming from the North.

...or we could just nuke 'em and get it over with.


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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 2:19:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we should just call their damn bluff. Park an Aircraft carrier, a Destroyer and a Nuclear sub right in one of their ports with a sign that says "Whatcha gonna do Pugsley?" on the side of them. A few F-35s and a B2 circling overhead just for good measure.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 5:48:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		If North Korea does attack,better believe that the U.S.A. will be there to defend its allies.However,hopefully,that can be avoided.I don't think anyone in their right mind wants this to spiral even further out of control.The problem here is,the new leader,is even crazier than his dad was.No one knows what to expect from the current North Korean leader.For goodness sakes,I am 30 years old and I am older than this guy.The society of North Korea is almost a "cult like" society where they worship their supreme leader as if he were a "God".The secret "paradise" as North Koreans call it.If these people only really knew how their lifestyles compared to those who really are in "free nations".

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 7:26:08 AM   
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Nope. For those with a clue, it was all that was needed to start a timely conversation, and for those without, a hurdle they can look silly trying to puzzle out.

Pfffl . . . the OP is stuck with a principle he cannot elucidate because in fact he has non to offer . . just blowing smoke out his arsehole.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 7:28:22 AM   
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If North Korea does attack,better believe that the U.S.A. will be there to defend its allies.However,hopefully,that can be avoided.I don't think anyone in their right mind wants this to spiral even further out of control.The problem here is,the new leader,is even crazier than his dad was.No one knows what to expect from the current North Korean leader.For goodness sakes,I am 30 years old and I am older than this guy.The society of North Korea is almost a "cult like" society where they worship their supreme leader as if he were a "God".The secret "paradise" as North Koreans call it.If these people only really knew how their lifestyles compared to those who really are in "free nations".

Just because no one knows what to expect doesn't mean he is crazy. Just means no one knows or those who know ain't saying.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 7:30:53 AM   
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I think we should just call their damn bluff. Park an Aircraft carrier, a Destroyer and a Nuclear sub right in one of their ports with a sign that says "Whatcha gonna do Pugsley?" on the side of them. A few F-35s and a B2 circling overhead just for good measure.

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Wonderful idea. Why not escalate the incident into a war on the whole damned peninsula?

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 7:33:26 AM   
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Poor Little Kimmy ..... what a pickle he finds himself in. Little Kimmy has just inherited the family business and like any sensible business owner, is seeking to expand operations. Little Kimmy's problem is that there are no suitable companies for him to unleash his rapacious forces on.

Maybe not. Maybe he knows exactly what he is doing. Maybe the long range goal is reunification of the Korean people.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 10:41:47 AM   
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I think we should just call their damn bluff. Park an Aircraft carrier, a Destroyer and a Nuclear sub right in one of their ports with a sign that says "Whatcha gonna do Pugsley?" on the side of them. A few F-35s and a B2 circling overhead just for good measure.

NSNG

Wonderful idea. Why not escalate the incident into a war on the whole damned peninsula?


Exactly. We and our allies have been dealing with the Cult of North Korea for way too long. Time to get it over with.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 11:00:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		The issue will be, if we go to war, whether or not China joins in with North Korea like they did the last time when we invaded. China does not want a subdued and democratic united Korea on its doorstep. It would look real bad to the dissidents in China if the tyrannical regime in North Korea was defeated by the United States and North Korea. China isn't too far behind in technology and capability when compared to the U.S., we could win at sea, for the most part but not without severe casualties that would cause the Dems and libs to demand peace at any price. The air war would be a struggle as the U.S. would be greatly outnumbered, and forget the ground war if North Korea and China joined together. They'd cut through South Korea and be nearly unstoppable unleashing terror everywhere on a largely unprepared South Korea.

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 11:16:54 AM   
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I think we should just call their damn bluff. Park an Aircraft carrier, a Destroyer and a Nuclear sub right in one of their ports with a sign that says "Whatcha gonna do Pugsley?" on the side of them. A few F-35s and a B2 circling overhead just for good measure.

NSNG

Wonderful idea. Why not escalate the incident into a war on the whole damned peninsula?


Exactly. We and our allies have been dealing with the Cult of North Korea for way too long. Time to get it over with.

NSNG

You miss my sarcasm although I put the emoticon up there to tip you off.

You are very keen to involve us in yet another catastrophic war. I find that kind of talk delusional. Like all problems will be solved in a jiffy with little cost. Shit!

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/15/2013 1:15:53 PM   
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...should we just shoot it down on principle?




Nope, time to make China shit or get off the pot...... This is their pit-bull see if they can control the situation. I think we should be putting all of the heat on Bejing not pyongyang

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/16/2013 12:54:33 AM   
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I think we should just call their damn bluff. Park an Aircraft carrier, a Destroyer and a Nuclear sub right in one of their ports with a sign that says "Whatcha gonna do Pugsley?" on the side of them. A few F-35s and a B2 circling overhead just for good measure.

NSNG

Wonderful idea. Why not escalate the incident into a war on the whole damned peninsula?


Exactly. We and our allies have been dealing with the Cult of North Korea for way too long. Time to get it over with.

NSNG

You miss my sarcasm although I put the emoticon up there to tip you off.

You are very keen to involve us in yet another catastrophic war. I find that kind of talk delusional. Like all problems will be solved in a jiffy with little cost. Shit!


I find suggestions that North Korea can be bargained with using any type of diplomatic means delusional. I saw your sarcasm emoticon, I simply ignored it. In no way am I suggesting that the problems will be solved in a jiffy or that there will not be cost - I'm suggesting that we either end the DPRK or we live with the danger they present to us. I'd end it.

North Korea poses a far more significant threat than Afghanistan or Iraq ever did or than they do now. Pull all troops from there - ALL of them, and shut this cult down.

NSNG

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RE: If North Korea fires off a missile... - 4/16/2013 12:56:10 AM   
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