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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 8:36:45 AM   
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Can we not jump to conclusions. We have no idea at this time and may never know in the future. Whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment might have been one of the goals of the perp, we shouldn't play into it. It looks like everyone is calming down and not letting this horrific event control them, we cannot let the fear of this having possibly been done by a Muslim control us.

are there any times where terrorists pretended to be muslim to whip up anti mus sentiment?

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 8:58:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing no one has mentioned yet is the bombs went off toward the end of the race when the crowd had thinned out. It could have been much worse. It points to what Aswad mentioned, "not very sophisticated". Hope that makes it easier to catch these assholes or asshole.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 9:03:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sorry, but my feeling is that's an irresponsible thing to say.

I fear it will already start the anti-Islam lot. I prefer to stay away from the "all terrorist attacks are done by muslims" school of thought. It could be anybody, regardless of their religion. It could even be a gun fanatic making a statement about the tightening of gun laws. It could even be some random nutter. We have NO PROOF that Muslims are responsible.

Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct. IF this was an attack by Islamic Fundamentalists, it does not reflect the Islamic faith as a whole.

I'm not defending terrorist activity nor am I defending fundamentalism. I'm simply saying that not everything is black and white and the beliefs of people should not be a reason to assume them of certain acts of crime.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 9:30:16 AM   
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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 9:39:39 AM   
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I'm sorry, but my feeling is that's an irresponsible thing to say.

I fear it will already start the anti-Islam lot. I prefer to stay away from the "all terrorist attacks are done by muslims" school of thought. It could be anybody, regardless of their religion. It could even be a gun fanatic making a statement about the tightening of gun laws. It could even be some random nutter. We have NO PROOF that Muslims are responsible.

Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct. IF this was an attack by Islamic Fundamentalists, it does not reflect the Islamic faith as a whole.

I'm not defending terrorist activity nor am I defending fundamentalism. I'm simply saying that not everything is black and white and the beliefs of people should not be a reason to assume them of certain acts of crime.
Totally agree on the first, second and fourth paragraph. Totally disagree with the third. If you want, you can ask me why. I prefer not to comment if you do not wish it, because it may provoke off-topic discussions.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 9:51:33 AM   
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Can we not jump to conclusions. We have no idea at this time and may never know in the future. Whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment might have been one of the goals of the perp, we shouldn't play into it. It looks like everyone is calming down and not letting this horrific event control them, we cannot let the fear of this having possibly been done by a Muslim control us.


It seems to me there have been many conclusions drawn on this thread...it is all speculation and each is entitled to their own conclusions. Just because his was that Muslims were involved is no more whipping up sentiment then others calling it domestic because of gun control or gay rights.

We are just talking and guessing and proposing...none of us have proof and as far as I can tell none are claiming they know the truth.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 9:55:49 AM   
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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 10:00:37 AM   
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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 11:20:44 AM   
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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 11:33:58 AM   
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Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct.

That is not true.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 12:57:07 PM   
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Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct.
That is not true.
Correct. That is the part, which is not true. The rest of the message from TheCristalDomme is perfect. But it is illusory (and a dangerous illusion) that religions founded more than one thousand years ago share our moral values of human rights, individual freedom, solidarity, non-violence, etc. This is not against Islam: Judaism and Christianity are by no means better.
The only way you can make a humanist religion from an Abrahamic religion is by ignoring most of the holy texts, and "interpreting" the rest in a way that "light gray" means "white" and the black spots are actually "metaphors" or "errors of translation".
I have read both Quram and Bible. They are horribly contradictory. You can find some "gray" spots in both, but you have to ignore that deep, deep black in so many others...

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 1:43:58 PM   
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Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct.
That is not true.
Correct. That is the part, which is not true. The rest of the message from TheCristalDomme is perfect. But it is illusory (and a dangerous illusion) that religions founded more than one thousand years ago share our moral values of human rights, individual freedom, solidarity, non-violence, etc. This is not against Islam: Judaism and Christianity are by no means better.
The only way you can make a humanist religion from an Abrahamic religion is by ignoring most of the holy texts, and "interpreting" the rest in a way that "light gray" means "white" and the black spots are actually "metaphors" or "errors of translation".
I have read both Quram and Bible. They are horribly contradictory. You can find some "gray" spots in both, but you have to ignore that deep, deep black in so many others...


I personally think all religions have their "grey" areas. That's why I chose buddhism.


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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 1:58:31 PM   
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Without wishing to trivialize this terrible terrible atrocity, I'm not certain AQ are behind this. When you look at past AQ attacks - madrid bombings, 9/11 and 7/7, they were much bigger. And normally before something like this happens AQ issue some kind of threat. Yes they have been quiet for some time, but I'm not certain its them.

Again, I'm not saying what happened in Boston yesterday is small, because it was big, and was obviously well coordinated with some pretty big devices. But AQ trends suggest that their "acts" are even bigger. That's my two cents anyway.

Either way, whoever did this are sick, evil and have a total lack of respect for human life. I just hope they are deal with to the full extent of the law.

May not have been AQ but I have a feeling there muslim.

Your reasoning?

Only Arabs and Irishmen use IEDs, and there's no Irish in Boston.


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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 2:01:46 PM   
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I personally think all religions have their "grey" areas. That's why I chose buddhism.


Prefer that shade of grey?


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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 2:35:39 PM   
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A few months ago, at the range I go shoot at, we had a guest who was an instructor for an advanced shooting class in the area. He was an Israeli, and he remarked at how surprised he was to see how little we seem to be aware of how easy it is for an attack like this. He remarked about things like how the trashcans could be used to conceal explosives, how easy it would be to park large trucks near significant numbers of people, stuff like that. Nice fella, wasn't condescending at all, just surprised at how lassez-faire we are considering our position in the world.
I know Israeli's are WAY ahead of the US on normal awareness, some paranoia, and preventive actions, given their geographycal location, religious majority, normal/aggressive responses, and politics. I understand we have created enimies for those similar reasons.

I am hoping that we never get to a place as a state, that we expect routine bombings. I also hope the US gets out of wars, and occupations that make us sitting ducks for potential retaliatory activities. I supose we do have a lot to learn from Israel; but I imagine that It would require soooo much infringement on a people's rights, comforts, and liberties to control or fully ensure the safety of a country as large as this one is. M

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 2:45:34 PM   
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I know Israeli's are WAY ahead of the US on normal awareness, some paranoia, and preventive actions, given their geographycal location, religious majority, normal/aggressive responses, and politics. I understand we have created enimies for those similar reasons.

I am hoping that we never get to a place as a state, that we expect routine bombings. I also hope the US gets out of wars, and occupations that make us sitting ducks for potential retaliatory activities. I supose we do have a lot to learn from Israel; but I imagine that It would require soooo much infringement on a people's rights, comforts, and liberties to control or fully ensure the safety of a country as large as this one is. M


The reason why the doctors handled the severe trauma so well yesterday was largely in part to specialised training they received by Israeli physicians.

[Boston] knew that bomb injuries were not part of their element and when they made revised disaster plans they asked Israeli doctors for their expertise.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 3:04:03 PM   
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Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct. IF this was an attack by Islamic Fundamentalists, it does not reflect the Islamic faith as a whole.


I think you may want to re-tweak your jargon. If the Islamic Fundamentals involve violence it does imply that Islam isn't a religion of piece. Hence either the jihad prone can't validly be called Islamic Fundamentalists or Islam can't validly be called a peaceful religion.

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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 3:25:56 PM   
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Many Muslims in the city say they are living in fear after dozens of members of their faith were killed in March by Buddhist mobs whipped up by monks from the "969" movement, a name that refers to attributes of the Buddha, his teachings and the monkhood.


http://news.yahoo.com/fear-stalks-yangons-muslims-buddhist-led-killings-071326785.html;_ylt=A2KLOzFGz21R.koAznXQtDMD



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ORIGINAL: TheCristalDomme
Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct.
That is not true.
Correct. That is the part, which is not true. The rest of the message from TheCristalDomme is perfect. But it is illusory (and a dangerous illusion) that religions founded more than one thousand years ago share our moral values of human rights, individual freedom, solidarity, non-violence, etc. This is not against Islam: Judaism and Christianity are by no means better.
The only way you can make a humanist religion from an Abrahamic religion is by ignoring most of the holy texts, and "interpreting" the rest in a way that "light gray" means "white" and the black spots are actually "metaphors" or "errors of translation".
I have read both Quram and Bible. They are horribly contradictory. You can find some "gray" spots in both, but you have to ignore that deep, deep black in so many others...


I personally think all religions have their "grey" areas. That's why I chose buddhism.





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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 6:26:58 PM   
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Secondly, Islam is a peaceful religion, with a strict and moral code of conduct. IF this was an attack by Islamic Fundamentalists, it does not reflect the Islamic faith as a whole.

I think you may want to re-tweak your jargon. If the Islamic Fundamentals involve violence it does imply that Islam isn't a religion of piece. Hence either the jihad prone can't validly be called Islamic Fundamentalists or Islam can't validly be called a peaceful religion.


Hasn't it been shown that there are only some sects of Islam that condone violence, while the rest are peaceful? Lumping all Islamic followers into the same box isn't any better than accrediting Catholic dogma to all Christian denominations.


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RE: Explosions at Boston Marathon - 4/16/2013 7:31:03 PM   
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