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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 4:37:52 PM

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Then what is your point in demading an admision that the US has never had a mass confiscation of firearms.
That is obvious since once confiscated firearms are never returned to their rightfull owners.
Thus it appears to be a common elementary retorical question intenedd to force us to face the reality that there is no threat.
What is your point.
You can't hit a nerve when you are fireing blanks.

Oh, good heavens.

No one has "demanded" anything. I simply asked a straightforward question in the hope of getting a clearer sense of whether the oft-mentioned fear of the government's coming to take our guns is rooted in history. I appreciated the examples folks offered and was particularly intrigued by the plight of Japanese-Americans.

The fact that you took my question--which you proved incapable of answering without deflection, snark, and condescension--as a "demand" for an "admission" and a to-be-resented effort to "force" you to "face reality" strikes me as interesting and telling.

Then again what is your point?
If you just happened to follow the exact path of others who using the same words as you to then proclaim that we are then force to accept their reality then it is an unfortunate. I have gone down that path a dozen times and that is all it tells.
If you are heading somewhere else where is it?
As I said you had to know the answer before you asked the question as no government returns confiscated firearms.
Thus since we have them they were never confiscated.
Since every question you have asked is superficial and the answers self evident I waas giving you credit for a deeper meaning, perhaps I was in error.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 4:43:39 PM

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Then again what is your point?

Sigh.

My "point" is that I was curious about whether there's a historical basis for the fear that Uncle Sam is coming to "take our guns."

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 4:49:21 PM

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Then again what is your point?

Sigh.

My "point" is that I was curious about whether there's a historical basis for the fear that Uncle Sam is coming to "take our guns."

Sorry I was giving you credit for more knowledge and depth, my mistake.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 4:55:34 PM

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Sorry I was giving you credit for more knowledge and depth, my mistake.

It's interesting but not surprising that you (a) once again proved incapable of engaging without personal attacks and (b) see the quest for knowledge as something to sneer at.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:07:02 PM

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It's interesting but not surprising that you (a) once again proved incapable of engaging without personal attacks and (b) see the quest for knowledge as something to sneer at.

No, I am not sneering at you, I did realize that you actually lacked that information and was treating you as someone who thought they were being oh so clever. Had I realized my responses would have been different.
Unfortunatly you never deviated from the well worn path of those people.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:08:20 PM

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FR

On a lighter note, the reference to train tracks a while back brought to mind a favorite Chas. Addams cartoon. I finally got a chance to find it online.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:08:39 PM

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Sorry I was giving you credit for more knowledge and depth, my mistake.

It's interesting but not surprising that you (a) once again proved incapable of engaging without personal attacks and (b) see the quest for knowledge as something to sneer at.

Lol Just don't engage. I have tried that and/or made innocuous devils advocate remarks and people get all butt-hurt. There is no point in explaining it. After last week I am dropping it once they go there. I may send one nasty 'go to hell for being an ass note' but after that I am done. Some people have no sense of humor or courtesy.

I won't name names but some people don't understand what intellectual discourse is. Rather than proving inaccuracy they resort to calling you puerile and then offer nothing to the conversation.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:13:13 PM

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So while I share your caution, I also share your feeling that accepting a 20-round magazine capacity limit wouldn't be worst thing that could happen. If the other side was willing to offer outlawing the slaughter pens that they are pleased to call "gun-free" zones in denial of reality, Sandy Hook being only the latest of those realities, I'd consider that worth the trade.

We may not have to make a trade. It seems like the idea of arming school officials and teachers is picking up steam. 3 states including Utah and Hawaii, I can't remember the other, have allowed armed teachers for quite some time. North Dakota just passed a law allowing armed teachers and Arizona and Florida have bills working their way through the legislature. I think there are other states considering the same type of legislation, with staunch opposition of coarse. Texas has allowed armed teachers if the school
Is 30 minutes from any type of law enforcement.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:22:53 PM

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On a lighter note, the reference to train tracks a while back brought to mind a favorite Chas. Addams cartoon. I finally got a chance to find it online.

LOL

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Didn't he do the Addams Familiy

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:29:25 PM

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We may not have to make a trade. It seems like the idea of arming school officials and teachers is picking up steam. 3 states including Utah and Hawaii, I can't remember the other, have allowed armed teachers for quite some time. North Dakota just passed a law allowing armed teachers and Arizona and Florida have bills working their way through the legislature. I think there are other states considering the same type of legislation, with staunch opposition of coarse. Texas has allowed armed teachers if the school
Is 30 minutes from any type of law enforcement.

All do require some varification that they are qualified don't they. Training course or something. I hope.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:46:24 PM

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We may not have to make a trade. It seems like the idea of arming school officials and teachers is picking up steam. 3 states including Utah and Hawaii, I can't remember the other, have allowed armed teachers for quite some time. North Dakota just passed a law allowing armed teachers and Arizona and Florida have bills working their way through the legislature. I think there are other states considering the same type of legislation, with staunch opposition of coarse. Texas has allowed armed teachers if the school
Is 30 minutes from any type of law enforcement.

All do require some varification that they are qualified don't they. Training course or something. I hope.

I don't know all the details but I believe in the states that have allowed armed carry in schools only requires a CWP.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 4/30/2013 5:47:50 PM

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I don't know all the details but I believe in the states that have allowed armed carry in schools only requires a CWP.

TY

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:12:06 AM

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The simple presence of the firearms serves as a deterrent to ever reaching a place of needing to fire them, much as the sound of the action on a pump shotgun dramatically reduces the odds you'll need to pull the trigger.

And I'm joining the fire extinguisher mock.

This is my point. The govt. comes to take your guns. Soon as they hear that shotgun pumped, some sniper takes you out and...likely in few seconds.

You sound like someone who was never in the military. First, a LOT of the military sent to "take the guns" would NOT be down with the plan to take all the guns. There would be a lot of "miscommunication" and "mistakes" that would make a successful operation almost impossible. Just like when the
Germans forced the Jews to work in munition factories, the Jews sabatoged lots of equipment. Remember that dustup in Russia at the parliament building? The Russian soldiers refused to fire on the Russian citizens. You badly underestimate the intelligence and patriotism of the US military corp.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:20:44 AM

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Then again what is your point?

Sigh.

My "point" is that I was curious about whether there's a historical basis for the fear that Uncle Sam is coming to "take our guns."

Does gathering up PEOPLE and putting them behind barbed wire count? I suggest you read about how the Asians were incarcerated during the war.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:24:26 AM

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Then again what is your point?

Sigh.

My "point" is that I was curious about whether there's a historical basis for the fear that Uncle Sam is coming to "take our guns."

Does gathering up PEOPLE and putting them behind barbed wire count?

No, it doesn't.
When have guns been confiscated?

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:45:29 AM

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Then again what is your point?

Sigh.

My "point" is that I was curious about whether there's a historical basis for the fear that Uncle Sam is coming to "take our guns."

Does gathering up PEOPLE and putting them behind barbed wire count?

No, it doesn't.
When have guns been confiscated?

Talking about gasping for straws! You honestly think rounding up PEOPLE and putting them behind barbed wire is not ten times as offensive as gathering up inanimate objects? You don't have to reply. The room knows you're just about semantics and not the "meat" of the argument.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:49:33 AM

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Well, it is an inept analogy, since rounding up and imprisoning people based on some physical attribute is something that is American as hell and been repeated many times and embedded in our constitution, where the other is not.

There is no 'meat' there, not even pablum, it couldn't be even characterized as thin gruel.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 8:54:32 AM

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ummmmm wasnt there a war on when the japanese were gathered up??? right or wrong, theres a lot of your countrymen think the same should be done iwth muslims... NOT gun owners, so the analogy is fucking stupid
Britains gathered up poles and germans, and put them in camps, DURING WAR... so much different than merely gathering up guns cos stupid poeple cant behave with them.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 9:00:02 AM

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The simple presence of the firearms serves as a deterrent to ever reaching a place of needing to fire them, much as the sound of the action on a pump shotgun dramatically reduces the odds you'll need to pull the trigger.

And I'm joining the fire extinguisher mock.

This is my point. The govt. comes to take your guns. Soon as they hear that shotgun pumped, some sniper takes you out and...likely in few seconds.

You sound like someone who was never in the military. First, a LOT of the military sent to "take the guns" would NOT be down with the plan to take all the guns. There would be a lot of "miscommunication" and "mistakes" that would make a successful operation almost impossible. Just like when the
Germans forced the Jews to work in munition factories, the Jews sabatoged lots of equipment. Remember that dustup in Russia at the parliament building? The Russian soldiers refused to fire on the Russian citizens. You badly underestimate the intelligence and patriotism of the US military corp.

First of all, whether or not one has been in the military has nothing at all to do with this and haven't the slightest idea where you get that. Second, all of the protesting and non-cooperation historically and now had nothing and will not have anything to do with whether or not govt. comes to take your guns and successfully so and once in that factory or FEMA camp or GITMO, by then...it is way too late.

As for cooperation in such an operation...the military (Louisiana National Guard) had and will have no problem if called upon, going door to door (Katrina) and taking guns and encountered not a peep of protest, let alone...anybody shooting them to stop them.

How about a little indicator ? A car chase of suspected, repeat...suspected criminals UNARMED stopped 50 rounds was it. (Cleveland) Too late for them too. You think state police, swat and the various national guards will do any less ? I don't.

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RE: The 2nd amendment. So when do you ? - 5/1/2013 9:03:57 AM

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Talking about gasping for straws!

Okay then.
Trying to equate locking people up in camps during a war and confiscating people's guns is an analogy so straw graspy it beggars belief.
Happy now?

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