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Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 10:58:58 AM   
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Gov. Rick Perry said Friday he's disgusted a California newspaper ran a cartoon that depicts him boasting about booming business in Texas, then shows an explosion, a week after a fertilizer plant explosion killed 14 people in a Texas town.

Perry said he wants an apology from the Sacramento Bee on behalf of the town.

The cartoon in Thursday's edition shows Perry crowing that "Business is Booming," flanked by signs saying "Low Tax!" and "'Low Regs!" It's a play on the Republican's often-repeated mantra that his state's low-regulation, business-friendly climate has its economy humming.

The next panel reads "Boom!" as a blast engulfs the area behind the governor and his signs.

An April 17 explosion in the town of West, outside Waco, left a crater more than 90 feet wide and is estimated to have caused more than $100 million in damage. The blast occurred moments after a fire was reported at the West Fertilizer plant.

Twelve of the people killed were first responders who rushed to the nighttime blaze.

In a letter to the Bee's editor, Perry said it "was with extreme disgust and disappointment I viewed your recent cartoon."

"While I will always welcome healthy policy debate, I won't stand for someone mocking the tragic deaths of my fellow Texans and our fellow Americans," Perry wrote. "Additionally, publishing this on the very day our state and nation paused to honor and mourn those who died only compounds the pain and suffering of the many Texans who lost family and friends in this disaster."

The Bee's editorial page editor, Stuart Leavenworth, responded Friday that the artist, Jack Ohman, "made a strong statement about Gov. Rick Perry's disregard for worker safety, and his attempts to market Texas a place where industries can thrive with few regulations."

"It is unfortunate that Gov. Perry, and some on the blogosphere, have attempted to interpret the cartoon as being disrespectful for the victims of this tragedy," Leavenworth said. "As Ohman has made clear on his blog, he has complete empathy for the victims and people living by the plant.

"What he finds offensive is a governor who would gamble with the lives of families by not pushing for the strongest safety regulations. Perry's letter is an attempt to distract people from that message."

Ohman defended his cartoon with an Internet post, noting that the fertilizer plant "had not been inspected by the state of Texas since 2006" and that many "Texas cities have little or no zoning, resulting in homes being permitted next to sparely inspected businesses that store explosive chemicals."

"My job, as I understand it, is to be provocative," Ohman wrote. "I provoke, you decide. I don't dictate, I put out my opinion along with everyone else. I sign my name. I own it. In my opinion, I could have gone further. Much further."....

Ohman posted that he had received "varying levels of concern about the cartoon depicting Gov. Rick Perry's marketing of Texas' loose regulations, juxtaposed with the explosion of the fertilizer plant in West, Texas," but that he would draw the cartoon again without thinking twice.

IMO, the cartoonist was being too nice to the Texas Governor. The Governor should be the one who is apologizing - to the families of all the people killed or injured in the explosion.




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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 12:01:31 PM   
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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 12:11:39 PM   
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You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 1:27:53 PM   
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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 1:43:27 PM   
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...


Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 1:49:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...


Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.




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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...


Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.


It's not like Perry would let a man die to score political points. Oh wait....

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:31:04 PM   
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If you ever see the family (since you are soooo concerned for their feelings, and aren't merely using these deaths to gleefully score cheap partisan points), why don't you ask them which bothers them more... the cartoon blaming Perry, or the fact that he was in charge while the years of safety violations that led to the deaths of their loved one were blatantly ignored?
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.


Is Perry using this to score political points?

Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:32:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

It's not like Perry would let a man die to score political points. Oh wait....


So, it's okay for others to do so, but not okay for Perry? IMO, neither is okay, but, what's that have to do with anything, right?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:46:05 PM   
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The truth fuckin hurts sometimes.


I don't think that is the problem.

It is a funny cartoon. But I also like Anne Frank, Helen Keller, Challenger, Michael Jackson, and Boston Marathon jokes. Among others.

In this case, I think that the issue is that it was "too soon."

Everyone should really just calm down before they blow it.







I was in Boston today and it was horrific. There were huge, shapeless chunks of flesh all over the place, it was enough to make you sick.

...and then the bomb went off.





After Sunday's events in Boston, there is to be a 30 second silence before the London marathon.

To listen for ticking.







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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:56:28 PM   
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There were huge, shapeless chunks of flesh all over the place, it was enough to make you sick.




Micheal Moore and Rush Limbaugh were there?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 2:58:39 PM   
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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:03:52 PM   
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There were huge, shapeless chunks of flesh all over the place, it was enough to make you sick.




Micheal Moore and Rush Limbaugh were there?



I think that they only pose for "the people of Wal-Mart."

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:10:26 PM   
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In this case, I think that the issue is that it was "too soon."

Rather than "too soon", I suspect that the issue is more "no balls" (the cartoonist) or "thin-skinned whining little pussy" (Perry).
To illustrate my point, let me show you a cartoon that was printed in the Grauniad a couple of days after the London tube bombing in 2005:

Too soon my arse.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:16:55 PM   
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The cartoon in Thursday's edition shows Perry crowing that "Business is Booming," flanked by signs saying "Low Tax!" and "'Low Regs!" It's a play on the Republican's often-repeated mantra that his state's low-regulation, business-friendly climate has its economy humming.

There are both state & federal agencies that oversee fertilizer plants.. it appears from this article that the state agencies do not have the authority to shut down an irresponsible plant, its the DHS, EPA & various other Federal agencies that are supposed to do that.. the EPA has authority over the plant.. and they fined them.. and then there is the US Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration that also fined them.. so who has the greater responsibilities here (about the "boom" factor)? seems to me its the Feds.. not really so much the state (since they dont appear to have the authority to shut the plant down).. so maybe Obama should be in the cartoon standing next to Perry???

Imo, all the agencies should be doing suprise inspections & sharing reports (which with the advent of computers is just a mouse click away) & working together.. and corps like West Fertilizer that have repeat violations should be put on the Terrorist Watch List (& actually watched!).. as well as adding several extra zeros to those fines.. Corps will comply much more readily if the fines are high, when the $$$ pain of not complying is higher than complying.. just sayin'..

"As Local 2 reported last week, the Environmental Protection Agency fined West $2,300 in 2006 for "failed to implement the risk management plan." A risk management plan filed by the company and dated June 30, 2011, made no mention of ammonium nitrate being on the property or that fire or explosions were a potential scenario at the plant.
The US Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration also fined the company $10,100 after a 2011 inspection found some tanks did not have proper safety labels and for "failing to develop and adhere to a security plan" in relation to the transportation of anhydrous ammonia."
http://www.click2houston.com/news/west-texas-explosion-who-knew-what/-/1735978/19885484/-/f1lyye/-/index.html

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:17:10 PM   
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In this case, I think that the issue is that it was "too soon."

Rather than "too soon", I suspect that the issue is more "no balls" (the cartoonist) or "thin-skinned whining little pussy" (Perry).
To illustrate my point, let me show you a cartoon that was printed in the Grauniad a couple of days after the London tube bombing in 2005:

Too soon my arse.



Okay. . . I don't see the joke. Can you please explain it to me?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:20:01 PM   
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The circle with a bar across it is the logo of the London Underground train system, on which a few people were blown up during the bombings.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:30:25 PM   
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Sorry, I was forgetting that one wouldn't travel.
The circle with a bar across it is the logo of the London Underground train system, on which a few people were blown up during the bombings.



Oh, okay. My brain interpreted those as St. George's Crosses.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:37:08 PM   
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IIRC, the bombings took place during the Thursday morning rush hour, and that cartoon was in the paper the following Monday. "Too soon" really doesn't cut it as an excuse for tantrums, imo, particularly tantrums coming from somebody who's supposed to be a politician, not a toddler.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:47:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

It's not like Perry would let a man die to score political points. Oh wait....


So, it's okay for others to do so, but not okay for Perry? IMO, neither is okay, but, what's that have to do with anything, right?


The point is that Perry is not so pure in this regard.

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