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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 3:49:30 PM   
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

It's not like Perry would let a man die to score political points. Oh wait....

So, it's okay for others to do so, but not okay for Perry? IMO, neither is okay, but, what's that have to do with anything, right?

The point is that Perry is not so pure in this regard.


So, he wasn't right?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 4:12:00 PM   
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

It's not like Perry would let a man die to score political points. Oh wait....

So, it's okay for others to do so, but not okay for Perry? IMO, neither is okay, but, what's that have to do with anything, right?

The point is that Perry is not so pure in this regard.


So, he wasn't right?


He was the pot calling the kettle black, i.e. a hypocrite of the worst kind.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 4:13:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		As the two faced little shit was whining about somebody else doing something that he's perfectly happy about if he's the one doing it, I'm afraid that yes, it is very unlikely that he's right.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 4:28:10 PM   
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Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder.


A tragedy is politics when the cause of the tragedy is politics.

We've a pretty soft touch media up here, and this cartoon would've been perfectly acceptable even so. Indeed, there have been plenty of cartoon format commentaries on politically caused disasters of this sort up here, as well as cartoons about the massacre a while back. Then again, maybe we're less sensitive overall. Gauging by the media, though, the opposite is what seems to be the case. As such, this doesn't seem like it's over the line.

The underlying point being made makes a difference. The cartoon is making a point that there is a cost to deregulation, and that the cost can be high. Perry seems to support deregulation, and the consequences thereof are currently rather fresh in mind for everyone. It's perfectly appropriate to point fingers at the guilty parties, and one of several ways to honor the dead.

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I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.


I'm more inclined to wonder how they feel about Perry.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 5:35:31 PM   
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

You mean like THIS independent sort who owns firearms, has used them for defense, is pro choice and thinks FOX is a bunch of fuckinidjits?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/28/2013 5:48:10 PM   
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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 1:35:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I hear a Republican politician say that regulation kills company's ability to be competitive; I have to ask....who is dumb enough take the word of a Republican politician these days? Further, why are regulations put into place in the first place? Generally it is to prevent or failing that, lessen the likelihood of some horrible disaster from taking place in a workplace or facility. Regulations generally are not created to limit a company so much as protect the American worker from hard. In the case of West, TX, it would have been to protect those in and around the area of the plant.

A few years ago, our nation suffered a disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The Sun Horizon Rig that blew up, sank, and caused mouths of devastation reaching from Texas to the Florida Panhandle! But if you go back in this history books just a few years earlier, certain people quietly removed regulations meant to keep equipment onboard a oil rig from being over-stressed. What happened on the rig? The managers over stressed the equipment and thus, created the chain of horrible events that took place. Take a guess which groups were responsible for the removal of those regulations?

Disasters like this, should never be just about pointing fingers, screaming at those that screwed up. It should be learning points. If not for a better rule of law being created and maintained, but to learn the wisdom of WHY those regulations were created to begin with! That way, the future impact on fellow Americans, civilization around it and even the environment can be protected. Corporate profit is NEVER a good enough excuse to supersede wisdom!

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 1:59:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not an expert about things like this, but I think the cartoon is winning.

If, suddenly, industrial facilities start getting inspected, like they always should have been, then I will know the cartoon won.

But even now I can tell you for certain, the cartoon wouldn't stand a chance lying on an editors desk.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 2:52:07 AM   
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Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?
I'd give you a definite "yes".
Politics affects life in a decisive way. It kills people and saves people's lives. Using deaths as political argument is therefore not invalid per se.
I honestly do not know much about the situation in Texas. But if, just as supposition, lack of regulations would be part of the cause of deaths, wouldn't be valid to use these deaths as argument to provoke a political change, which leads to better regulations?
So... yes. It is. People who think that "politics" is something trivial and irrelevant and should not be connected to "serious things of life" are utterly wrong.
This does not render the argument using deaths valid, of course, that's another question.

As for the cartoon, I consider it tasteless. The correct place for such accusations is not a cartoon but a thoughtful analysis with serious data.

As for the reaction of the Governor, I consider it stupid: a Governor should not care about such things, and the cartoon is not mocking the deaths.

If the families had reacted with strong opinions against the cartoonist, I would be far more understanding to them, of course.

As for the connection between lack of regulation and accident, I have no idea, but it is at least not crazy stuff (= it is not like connecting the price of the bananas in Russia with the accident).

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 6:03:38 AM   
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As for the connection between lack of regulation and accident, I have no idea, but it is at least not crazy stuff (= it is not like connecting the price of the bananas in Russia with the accident).


Dammit. I guess I'll have to stop researching that link. And here all along, I could have sworn I saw that on the internet. Is it the price of plantains (which do look an awful lot like bananas) or some other type of fruit?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 6:19:33 AM   
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Dammit. I guess I'll have to stop researching that link. And here all along, I could have sworn I saw that on the internet. Is it the price of plantains (which do look an awful lot like bananas) or some other type of fruit?
Bananas are dangerous. That's they are more regulated as, say, firearms.

So, stop mocking on the victims of bananas. What would their families say...?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 6:36:53 AM   
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Dammit. I guess I'll have to stop researching that link. And here all along, I could have sworn I saw that on the internet. Is it the price of plantains (which do look an awful lot like bananas) or some other type of fruit?
Bananas are dangerous. That's they are more regulated as, say, firearms.

So, stop mocking on the victims of bananas. What would their families say...?





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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 6:48:55 AM   
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Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.



This realy seems to have your panties in a bunch...you have a fucking computer why don't you ask them how they feel that their govonor brags about not having regulations in place to prevent this sort of thing?

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Is Perry using this to score political points?

Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?


Better qustion ...is it ok to use any deaths to score political points. like sodamned insane "gassed the kurds"Khadaffy turns merernaries loose on rebels,supreme leader starves his people to feed army.
You don't seem to have any trouble using dead bodies to promote your agenda so why do you whine when others do the same.
If the above named "excuses" aren't your particular cause celebre then which are?



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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 6:57:52 AM   
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The cartoon in Thursday's edition shows Perry crowing that "Business is Booming," flanked by signs saying "Low Tax!" and "'Low Regs!" It's a play on the Republican's often-repeated mantra that his state's low-regulation, business-friendly climate has its economy humming.

There are both state & federal agencies that oversee fertilizer plants.. it appears from this article that the state agencies do not have the authority to shut down an irresponsible plant, its the DHS, EPA & various other Federal agencies that are supposed to do that..


That is the point of the cartoon. It is the states responsibility to do that but the govornor brags that he does not, thus the explosion.
How is it that you missed that?

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... so who has the greater responsibilities here (about the "boom" factor)? seems to me its the Feds.. not really so much the state (since they dont appear to have the authority to shut the plant down).. so maybe Obama should be in the cartoon standing next to Perry???


Perhaps in your desire to vindicate perry you would accuse someone else of culpability. You do know that there is a reason for federal regulations don't you? It is to help prevent punkassmotherfuckers like perry from murdering his constituants by failing in his duties as govonor by sucking the cocks of korporate amerika.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 7:03:38 AM   
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Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

This realy seems to have your panties in a bunch...you have a fucking computer why don't you ask them how they feel that their govonor brags about not having regulations in place to prevent this sort of thing?


I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

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Is Perry using this to score political points?
Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?

Better qustion ...is it ok to use any deaths to score political points.


If you want to jump into the generalizations, sure, that's a great question. But, if you want to keep it a bit more specific to the event, then, it's not a better question.

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like sodamned insane "gassed the kurds"Khadaffy turns merernaries loose on rebels,supreme leader starves his people to feed army.
You don't seem to have any trouble using dead bodies to promote your agenda so why do you whine when others do the same.
If the above named "excuses" aren't your particular cause celebre then which are?


I don't know if the "You" I put in italics above is used specifically or generally. Please clarify.

(edited to change the method of highlighting for the above comment)

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 10:21:41 AM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 11:07:42 AM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?


That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy. I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points. I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it. If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.

While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 12:24:05 PM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?


That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy. I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points. I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it. If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.

While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?


That does, I'm afraid. He's a cynical, two faced shit, not a goldfish.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 2:11:40 PM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?


That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy.


You dance pretty good for a big fella...not. It really is not a tough question. Rick perry failed to protect his constituants from force and fraud...the two things that are the rightful function of government.
How can you defend that shit?

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I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points.



The cartoon was not scoring political points it was pointing out that the govornor because he was busy sucking korporate amerika's cock had failed in his duty to protect his constituants from force and fraud. Please do not tell me that a worker has no legal expectation that he will be working in a safe environment...fraud. Please dont tell me that having an explosion up your ass is not force. Rick perry had a legal responsibility to see that that was a fact yet he brags that he does not.

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I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it.


But you seem to have a hard time actually saying that rick perry is a hypocrite
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If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.
While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?




He does not make the necessary laws to protect his constituants and brags about it and now whines that he is being included in the blame. If the punkassmotherfucker had done his job like he swore to god he would this would have not have happened

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 4:10:07 PM   
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Some guy whose name I probably shouldn't mention on account of T.O.S.

While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?


Uh... wow!

Is that politics? Or religion?

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