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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 5:03:00 PM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?

That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy. I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points. I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it. If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.
While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?

That does, I'm afraid. He's a cynical, two faced shit, not a goldfish.


So, no matter what he says in this area, he's wrong?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/29/2013 5:10:48 PM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?

That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy.

You dance pretty good for a big fella...not. It really is not a tough question. Rick perry failed to protect his constituants from force and fraud...the two things that are the rightful function of government.
How can you defend that shit?


At what point did I say he did no wrong?

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I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points.

The cartoon was not scoring political points it was pointing out that the govornor because he was busy sucking korporate amerika's cock had failed in his duty to protect his constituants from force and fraud. Please do not tell me that a worker has no legal expectation that he will be working in a safe environment...fraud. Please dont tell me that having an explosion up your ass is not force. Rick perry had a legal responsibility to see that that was a fact yet he brags that he does not.


Where was the failure of government? Was the DHS supposed to be on top of this sort of stuff? Who fined the company within the past decade? Are you telling me that there was no way DHS could know about West Texas Fertilizer? West Texas is liable for the damage they caused. Government failed at their jobs, too. While I don't believe government has a financial responsibility in any lawsuits that arise from the incident, there is a responsibility within government to fix the flaws that allowed West Texas to fly under the radar so long. Did Rick Perry de-regulate the Federal Oversight of the plant?

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I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it.

But you seem to have a hard time actually saying that rick perry is a hypocrite


What is he a hypocrite about?

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If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.
While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?

He does not make the necessary laws to protect his constituants and brags about it and now whines that he is being included in the blame. If the punkassmotherfucker had done his job like he swore to god he would this would have not have happened


Wow. You seem to have the idea that Rick Perry is a dictator in Texas. That's odd.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 4:15:37 AM   
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I'm not all that concerned with this, really. Just pointing out some hypocrisy...

So why don't you have a problem with Perry's hypocrisy, then?

That's a tough question to answer, really. It's not that I do or don't have a problem with his hypocrisy. I have a problem with people using death or tragedies to score political points. I don't support Republicans doing it any more or less than I support Democrats doing it. If you are going to ban anyone from making a claim that they have previously acted hypocritically on, we may not have anyone left to make claims about anything.
While his actions in the past may not have aligned with his claims now, that doesn't make his claims any less correct, does it?

That does, I'm afraid. He's a cynical, two faced shit, not a goldfish.


So, no matter what he says in this area, he's wrong?


Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 5:27:03 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


Okay, now I get it.

It doesn't matter what is said, but who says it. That's brilliant.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 5:44:09 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


Okay, now I get it.

It doesn't matter what is said, but who says it. That's brilliant.


It matters when somebody is criticising something he's said himself, because somebody else has said something similar in a way that could be seen as a criticism of his behaviour.
And given your shifting of arguments to avoid addressing Perry's repulsive hypocrisy and lack of backbone throughout this thread, you're the one who's demanding special treatment for Perry saying stuff, not me. How exactly does you whining "He can too say that!" for two pages not look like special pleading based on who Perry is, pray tell?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 6:04:35 AM   
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Regulations generally are not created to limit a company so much as protect the American worker from hard.


A common misconception, particularly among conservatives. Safety regulations protect responsible companies, who take proper precautions without being forced, from being undercut by crooks who don't care who gets hurt by their cheap methods.

They also save lives, but since the lives they save are usually not conservative voters', that cuts no ice with some people.


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 6:40:44 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.

Okay, now I get it.
It doesn't matter what is said, but who says it. That's brilliant.

It matters when somebody is criticising something he's said himself, because somebody else has said something similar in a way that could be seen as a criticism of his behaviour.
And given your shifting of arguments to avoid addressing Perry's repulsive hypocrisy and lack of backbone throughout this thread, you're the one who's demanding special treatment for Perry saying stuff, not me. How exactly does you whining "He can too say that!" for two pages not look like special pleading based on who Perry is, pray tell?


What special treatment? That he not be blasted as being wrong in this situation because he has previously acted contrary to what he is saying now?

Has any politician you support ever lied? If so, why do you still support him/her?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:05:03 AM   
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What special treatment? That he not be blasted as being wrong in this situation because he has previously acted contrary to what he is saying now?

Has any politician you support ever lied? If so, why do you still support him/her?


We're not talking about every politician I might or might not have supported, we're talking about your failure to take Perry to task for his disgusting hypocrisy, and flip flopping on the morality of using the dead to score a political point.
You've yet to come up with any justification for your laughable assertion that this is "a tough question to answer", or indeed make any attempt to answer, rather than evade, the question.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:09:38 AM   
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If you ever see the family (since you are soooo concerned for their feelings, and aren't merely using these deaths to gleefully score cheap partisan points), why don't you ask them which bothers them more... the cartoon blaming Perry, or the fact that he was in charge while the years of safety violations that led to the deaths of their loved one were blatantly ignored?
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.


Is Perry using this to score political points?

Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?




All depends on what one considers "political points"....


Efforting and advocating for ways to save lives and reduce deaths and those of the folks who did a happy dance when the background check laws was filibustered, are NOT the same.


Did the Sandy Hook victims standing with the President use their own tragedies to "score political points" as the nra-gop-lunatic fringe has charged?


Or is their attacks and whining about the victims standing with the President....cheap political points?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:15:43 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


Okay, now I get it.

It doesn't matter what is said, but who says it. That's brilliant.




Oh my now you are the victim

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:20:11 AM   
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At what point did I say he did no wrong?


At what point did you say he did wrong?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:36:14 AM   
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The cartoon was not scoring political points it was pointing out that the govornor because he was busy sucking korporate amerika's cock had failed in his duty to protect his constituants from force and fraud. Please do not tell me that a worker has no legal expectation that he will be working in a safe environment...fraud. Please dont tell me that having an explosion up your ass is not force. Rick perry had a legal responsibility to see that that was a fact yet he brags that he does not.


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Where was the failure of government?


Rick perry as govornor of texas has a responsibility to his constituants. He bragged publically that that he had not implimented any meaningful safety regulations concerning business in texas for the purpose of enticing unethical business to texas who would then have an economic advantage on their more ethical competetors .

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Was the DHS supposed to be on top of this sort of stuff?


One must wonder when some punkassmotherfucker whines that the federal government is too intrusive in the citizens life and that it is the states responsibility to regulate business within the state. Then that same punkassmotherfucker while govornor of the state of texas refuses to do his job to protect his constituants from force and fraud by not causing the appropriate safety regulations to be in place. Now you want to blame this on the lack of supervision by the federal govt.
Your post is nothing but disingenuous bullshit.


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Who fined the company within the past decade? Are you telling me that there was no way DHS could know about West Texas Fertilizer? West Texas is liable for the damage they caused. Government failed at their jobs, too. While I don't believe government has a financial responsibility in any lawsuits that arise from the incident, there is a responsibility within government to fix the flaws that allowed West Texas to fly under the radar so long.


If you were to cook this red herring it would be more useful in your belly than in this discussion.

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Did Rick Perry de-regulate the Federal Oversight of the plant?


Stupid ass question with no meaning except to take up bandwith.Why would any adult with a three digit iq and a pulse ask such a asanine question? Rick perry while sucking korporate cock refused to institute the regulations necessary to have prevented this disaster. It has nothing to do with dhs why would you think it did? Don't you know that govornors do not tell the federal bureaucracy what to do?Where do you find that authority for govornors in the constitution?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:39:57 AM   
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What special treatment? That he not be blasted as being wrong in this situation because he has previously acted contrary to what he is saying now?


Are you saying that that little punkassmotherfucker is now in favor of strict safety regulations for bussiness within texas? If so I am going to need a cite. If not then just what the fuck is your post saying?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 7:40:10 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


This actually makes life very simple. Since no one on the planet is perfect, that means no one has the right to say anything about anyone. So there ya go

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 8:02:14 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


Okay, now I get it.

It doesn't matter what is said, but who says it. That's brilliant.





With hypocrisy.....who said what, is EXACTLY the point.....



"Republicans Who Voted Against Sandy Aid Ask For Aid To West, Texas After Explosion"


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/04/22/1901031/republicans-who-voted-against-sandy-aid-ask-for-aid-to-west-texas-after-explosion/?mobile=nc

Folks(normal folks) don`t mind people making mistakes and know we`re all human and flawed.

It`s the hypocrisy.....the naked,premeditated dishonesty that eventually,folks are going to reject.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 8:34:00 AM   
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Yep. He has no moral authority to say anything about this given his past record, I'm afraid.


This actually makes life very simple. Since no one on the planet is perfect, that means no one has the right to say anything about anyone. So there ya go

I was talking about a specific case of somebody using a double standard to their advantage, not a generalism.

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 9:33:19 AM   
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What special treatment? That he not be blasted as being wrong in this situation because he has previously acted contrary to what he is saying now?
Has any politician you support ever lied? If so, why do you still support him/her?

We're not talking about every politician I might or might not have supported, we're talking about your failure to take Perry to task for his disgusting hypocrisy, and flip flopping on the morality of using the dead to score a political point.
You've yet to come up with any justification for your laughable assertion that this is "a tough question to answer", or indeed make any attempt to answer, rather than evade, the question.


So, my not being in TX, not supporting his Presidential aspirations, but supporting his statement that the political cartoon wasn't in good taste has what to do with any previous actions he has taken?


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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 9:35:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're still not answering my question: are you okay with Perry having no problem using corpses for political gain himself, but screaming like a slapped toddler if somebody tries to connect his style of governance with people killed by a lack of regulation of industrial facilities?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 9:38:22 AM   
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If you ever see the family (since you are soooo concerned for their feelings, and aren't merely using these deaths to gleefully score cheap partisan points), why don't you ask them which bothers them more... the cartoon blaming Perry, or the fact that he was in charge while the years of safety violations that led to the deaths of their loved one were blatantly ignored?
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I wonder if there'll be any response in this thread from all the RepublicanIndependent sorts who start screeching like schoolgirls whenever the Kenyan says something vaguely critical about Fox?
You know, these non partisan sorts who are all for media freedom so long as it's an element of the media they agree with that's insisting on freedom of expression, rather than some liberal out to overthrow the constitution by being slightly to the left of them using the media to speak freely...

Yeah, that bastard Perry. Getting upset that some would use a tragedy like the one in West TX as political fodder. I wonder how those that lost family in the explosion feel about the cartoon, and if it matters.

Is Perry using this to score political points?
Better question: Is it okay (for anyone) to use those deaths to score political points?

All depends on what one considers "political points"....
Efforting and advocating for ways to save lives and reduce deaths and those of the folks who did a happy dance when the background check laws was filibustered, are NOT the same.
Did the Sandy Hook victims standing with the President use their own tragedies to "score political points" as the nra-gop-lunatic fringe has charged?
Or is their attacks and whining about the victims standing with the President....cheap political points?


Actually, I think Obama was using them to score political points. I don't blame them for wanting to confront their representatives. I don't think that's what they were there for, though. I do think they saw, spoke to, and perhaps confronted more than just their representatives. If that is what they were brought in for, then they were used as political pawns.

I wonder what Newtown thinks of one of the NRA's ideas?

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RE: Texas Gov. vs. An Editorial Cartoon - 4/30/2013 9:41:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The victims of humor are rarely happy about it....


God forbid we should kill the court jesters when their extremely relevant and biting political speech hurts someone`s feelings.


The humor does not degrade or mock the victims of the tragedy.....only those responsible for it.




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