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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:02:00 PM   
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reagan rightly said all folks should be free to worship or not so it kinda leads to tha question are any leading republicans saying islamic worship should be banned in america?


There have been times when some in the Republican Party have opposed things simply based on the thing being Islamic. For instance, the furor over a mosque being erected near the WTC.


...and there were two mosques destroyed in the WTC. Religious reactionaries forget that.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:04:36 PM   
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The third holiest (putatively, now) mosque in Islam is the mosque in Jerusalem. 100 years ago it was a mosque in disrepair of no import.


Would you happen to have some sort of validation for this interesting tidbit of history?

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:27:10 PM   
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i see that not so much about religious freedom as a sensitivity issue over tha massive amount of death caused by jihadists at tha wtc .

They were wanting to put up a mosque not a memorial to the jihadist. So unless you believe that all muslems are jihadist your post does not make any sense cuz.

i believe no such thing. 1.2 billion jihadists would be armageddon. point is tha attacks were made in tha name of islam & many islamic leaders express very intense hatred of tha US so tha two are not unconnected.

Common now cuz... me and thee and most folks with a three digit iq and a pulse believe that those folks acted in the name of "get your cock out of my ass and leave me the fuck alone"Your post seems to indicate that you think it is some sort of religious thing...I think you are mistaken.

you have tha right to ignore tha fact al qaeda is an organization that wants global jihad no matter what presence westerners have in their countries. it uses tha koran to justify tha killing of thousands of civilans not just in tha US & not only non-muslims but muslims they think aint muslim enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism calling muslims not willing to push thru sharia apostates so they can be killed according to islamic doctrine.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:29:48 PM   
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reagan rightly said all folks should be free to worship or not so it kinda leads to tha question are any leading republicans saying islamic worship should be banned in america?

There have been times when some in the Republican Party have opposed things simply based on the thing being Islamic. For instance, the furor over a mosque being erected near the WTC.

...and there were two mosques destroyed in the WTC. Religious reactionaries forget that.

do ya have a cite coz all i heard was tha wtcs had a small area for islamic prayer.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:39:26 PM   
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reagan rightly said all folks should be free to worship or not so it kinda leads to tha question are any leading republicans saying islamic worship should be banned in america?

There have been times when some in the Republican Party have opposed things simply based on the thing being Islamic. For instance, the furor over a mosque being erected near the WTC.

...and there were two mosques destroyed in the WTC. Religious reactionaries forget that.

do ya have a cite coz all i heard was tha wtcs had a small area for islamic prayer.

It took about 10 seconds to find one that was on the 17th floor.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-09-10/news/30067735_1_ground-zero-mosque-prayer-room-muslim-americans

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:47:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		At one point (I'm not sure which stage of the discussion) the mosque started being referred to as a "community center". There's a bit of a difference, there.

If it was first presented as a "community center" (knowing how inclusive Islam is to infedels of other faiths) and the idea was shot down and then, we were told it was a "mosque and community center", in my mind, that makes a difference because it appears to be manipulation of religious freedom.

I could be wrong because my memory is fallible but I thought the original idea was for a "community center" which changes the argument entirley (imo).



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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 1:50:48 PM   
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reagan rightly said all folks should be free to worship or not so it kinda leads to tha question are any leading republicans saying islamic worship should be banned in america?

There have been times when some in the Republican Party have opposed things simply based on the thing being Islamic. For instance, the furor over a mosque being erected near the WTC.

...and there were two mosques destroyed in the WTC. Religious reactionaries forget that.

do ya have a cite coz all i heard was tha wtcs had a small area for islamic prayer.

It took about 10 seconds to find one that was on the 17th floor.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-09-10/news/30067735_1_ground-zero-mosque-prayer-room-muslim-americans

yup a small room for prayer like i said. prayer rooms are only in workplaces & homes for exclusive groups. they are different to mosques http://islamqa.info/en/ref/136661 & super mosques like tha one planned near ground zero. i have no issue wit islamic prayer rooms in tha new wtc & i reckon there probably is one.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 2:25:41 PM   
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you have tha right to ignore tha fact al qaeda is an organization that wants global jihad no matter what presence westerners have in their countries. it uses tha koran to justify tha killing of thousands of civilans not just in tha US & not only non-muslims but muslims they think aint muslim enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism calling muslims not willing to push thru sharia apostates so they can be killed according to islamic doctrine.


You may not be aware of this cuz but the bible says the same shit. So if you claim all the moronic shit you claim about the moslems is a reason to go fuck them up wouldn't they have the same provocation based on the bible? But then any fuckwit too ignorant to know that all wars are fought so we can fuck their women and steal their dope needs to acquaint themselves with a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 2:33:18 PM   
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If it was first presented as a "community center" (knowing how inclusive Islam is to infedels of other faiths)


Pretty much as inclusive and accepting as catholics have been with the exception that in islam, I understand ,one can buy a pass to be an infidel where as in christendom that is not an option.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 4:29:08 PM   
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At one point (I'm not sure which stage of the discussion) the mosque started being referred to as a "community center". There's a bit of a difference, there.

If it was first presented as a "community center" (knowing how inclusive Islam is to infedels of other faiths) and the idea was shot down and then, we were told it was a "mosque and community center", in my mind, that makes a difference because it appears to be manipulation of religious freedom.

I could be wrong because my memory is fallible but I thought the original idea was for a "community center" which changes the argument entirley (imo).



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Does it matter? It's a building for religious practices.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:18:59 PM   
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Someone mentioned the Japanese building something across from Pearl Harbor. Had it happened during WWII, I'm sure it wouldn't have gone over very well, but now? Totally different time.

Very different time.
For a start the Japanese population of America aren't all in internment camps, so it's a lot more possible for them to build something than it was between '41 and '45.


Yeah. That's the different I meant.

Oh, wait, are you going to blame me for supporting Japanese internment camps? lol

How about if the Japanese had attempted to erect something on Ford Island in, say, 1948? Internment camps were closed by then. Still would have been too early, imo, and public sentiment wouldn't have been very supportive of it. But, now? I doubt there'd be much of an issue.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:23:30 PM   
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If it was first presented as a "community center" (knowing how inclusive Islam is to infedels of other faiths)

Pretty much as inclusive and accepting as catholics have been with the exception that in islam, I understand ,one can buy a pass to be an infidel where as in christendom that is not an option.


That's true (regarding Catholicism), though others can pay and pray your way through purgatory and into Heaven. You just can't do it yourself.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:26:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Odd that I have yet to hear even one "muslim cleric" speak out against the jihad extremists.
If they are not all jihadists ,........why is that?

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:39:55 PM   
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http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:49:01 PM   
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Regarding those who wanted to prevent the building of the mosque.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Nuff said


With the exception of the second grade Teacher in Chicago hanging a plaque of the 10 Commandments on the wall of her class room... Heaven forbid a Teacher hang a Christian plaque in a public school... Or a Judge in his courtroom


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 5:53:39 PM   
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Odd that I have yet to hear even one "muslim cleric" speak out against the jihad extremists.
If they are not all jihadists ,........why is that?


I have. My younger brother went to college with the son of an imam of a very large mosque in my area. The night of 9/11, it was riddled with bullets. They have hosted interfaith gatherings in an attempt to improve relations and understanding among different faiths.

How many "muslim clerics" have you talked to?


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/29/2013 6:52:49 PM   
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Regarding those who wanted to prevent the building of the mosque.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Nuff said


With the exception of the second grade Teacher in Chicago hanging a plaque of the 10 Commandments on the wall of her class room... Heaven forbid a Teacher hang a Christian plaque in a public school... Or a Judge in his courtroom


I'll ask you the same question I asked another peson on here 3 times and he has refused to answer.

Would you be OK with the school board spending taxpayer money to bring in a minister who would attempt to convert your children to their religion in the school auditorium without your permission or knowledge?

Yes or no?

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/30/2013 6:12:36 AM   
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If it was first presented as a "community center" (knowing how inclusive Islam is to infedels of other faiths)

Pretty much as inclusive and accepting as catholics have been with the exception that in islam, I understand ,one can buy a pass to be an infidel where as in christendom that is not an option.


That's true (regarding Catholicism), though others can pay and pray your way through purgatory and into Heaven. You just can't do it yourself.


My understanding was that the moslems would sell you a pass to stay alive,live among them and still be an infidel, not that they would sell you a pass to heaven like the christians.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/30/2013 6:12:59 AM   
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See, he really did, he did not say that the Muslims were excluded from this!


Well, of course, he had to abide by the Constitution and the First Amendment, which includes Freedom of Religion. It's not a betrayal of Republicans or anyone else. Even Bush Jr. said as much after 9/11, that they were only going after radical terrorists, not against Muslims as a whole.

The bigger flaw with Reagan was that he failed to properly assess the radical terrorist threat coming from that area of the world, mistakenly believing that all terrorism emanated from the "Evil Empire." Reagan was far too obsessed with his fossilized ideological opposition to the Soviet Union that he failed to see the real threat. He even traded arms for hostages with our arch-enemy at the time, Iran, because he was obsessed with overthrowing the Nicaraguan regime which he considered communist. Reagan jumped into bed with Iran even before he was elected, even while they were holding our people hostage.

And now, everyone (including Republicans) are worried about the threat coming from Iran. Thanks, Ronnie!


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 4/30/2013 6:25:05 AM   
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Odd that I have yet to hear even one "muslim cleric" speak out against the jihad extremists.
If they are not all jihadists ,........why is that?

Perhaps it is because you hear what you want to hear.

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