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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 10:05:47 AM   
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Odd that I have yet to hear even one "muslim cleric" speak out against the jihad extremists.
If they are not all jihadists ,........why is that?

That might have something to so with the dark, warm place your head generally resides. Must be hard to hear much of anything in that position.

For Paladins edification
the two wanna be terrorists that were caught in Canada planning a al Qaeda-supported attack against a passenger train traveling between Canada and the United States were turned in by an Iman in the local community
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-toronto-imam-tip-canada-terror-20130423,0,6276286.story
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/tip-from-imam-led-police-to-first-known-al-qaeda-plan-of-attack-that-weve-experienced/article11492749/
http://fox2now.com/2013/04/23/muslim-imams-tip-helps-foil-canadian-terror-plot/
he spoke out...maybe not in the way that YOU wish, but he DID something that has got these two assholes jailed, without hurting anyone




Oddly enough, I ran across links to a couple websites of Muslims against the radical extremists earlier today. Didn't copy/paste, but I know they are out there.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 1:58:05 PM   
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F*** - the world is in a scary place when Ronald Reagan starts looking like a liberal........





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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 4:49:03 PM   
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F*** - the world is in a scary place when Ronald Reagan starts looking like a liberal........





Today's Neocons would say he is.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 8:33:19 PM   
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i see that not so much about religious freedom as a sensitivity issue over tha massive amount of death caused by jihadists at tha wtc .


I see it not as a sensitivity issue but as a sign that our country suffers from an infestation of ignorant bigots.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 8:40:34 PM   
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Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?


If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.

For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 8:47:38 PM   
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Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?

If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.
For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.


So, yes it is an infringement. And, before you get all foaming at the mouth, I have no problem with it. I think it's petty to not allow an elected official from choosing to have a person item showing their chosen faith. But, it being petty, doesn't really mean a whole fucking lot to me.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/1/2013 9:06:52 PM   
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i see that not so much about religious freedom as a sensitivity issue over tha massive amount of death caused by jihadists at tha wtc .

I see it not as a sensitivity issue but as a sign that our country suffers from an infestation of ignorant bigots.

yup same here.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 6:54:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?

If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.
For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.


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So, yes it is an infringement.

In other words you once again managed to completely fail at understanding simple English.

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And, before you get all foaming at the mouth, I have no problem with it. I think it's petty to not allow an elected official from choosing to have a person item showing their chosen faith. But, it being petty, doesn't really mean a whole fucking lot to me.

I don't think it's petty to require second grade teachers to refrain from indoctrination young children with their religion. Look at it this way, would you want me in a school teaching children about religion?

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:04:34 AM   
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Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?

If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.
For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.


So, yes it is an infringement. And, before you get all foaming at the mouth, I have no problem with it. I think it's petty to not allow an elected official from choosing to have a person item showing their chosen faith. But, it being petty, doesn't really mean a whole fucking lot to me.


What incident are you referring to here??

Barring a teacher's religious plaque in a PUBLIC school makes sense.

Supporting people's private right to put things on their own PRIVATE property also makes sense.

But what incident are you referring to about an elected official and a personal item?

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:17:26 AM   
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Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?

If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.
For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, yes it is an infringement.

In other words you once again managed to completely fail at understanding simple English.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
And, before you get all foaming at the mouth, I have no problem with it. I think it's petty to not allow an elected official from choosing to have a person item showing their chosen faith. But, it being petty, doesn't really mean a whole fucking lot to me.

I don't think it's petty to require second grade teachers to refrain from indoctrination young children with their religion. Look at it this way, would you want me in a school teaching children about religion?


So, we have a teacher that puts up some religious symbol that holds meaning to him/herself, and you are taking a leap that that is indoctrination?!?!? You should try out for the Olympic long jump team. Bob Beaman's record would not last much longer...

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:20:02 AM   
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Um, isn't barring someone from displaying a plaque with a Christianity-based theme infringing on that someone's right to freely exercise his/her chosen religion?

If that person wanted to post said plaque on their own property yes it absolutely would be. However, one doesn't have the right to post whatever plaque they want on someone else's property.
For instance I don't have the right to come over and install a plaque saying "Jesus was a communist cult leader" on your house.

So, yes it is an infringement. And, before you get all foaming at the mouth, I have no problem with it. I think it's petty to not allow an elected official from choosing to have a person item showing their chosen faith. But, it being petty, doesn't really mean a whole fucking lot to me.

What incident are you referring to here??
Barring a teacher's religious plaque in a PUBLIC school makes sense.
Supporting people's private right to put things on their own PRIVATE property also makes sense.
But what incident are you referring to about an elected official and a personal item?


Does it matter?


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:23:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.

Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.

What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:29:57 AM   
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A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.
Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.
What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??


Does it matter what situation I'm referring to?

And, Constitutional cases certainly can be decided in a vacuum. Either it's Constitutional, or it's not.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 7:36:41 AM   
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A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.
Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.
What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??


Does it matter what situation I'm referring to?

And, Constitutional cases certainly can be decided in a vacuum. Either it's Constitutional, or it's not.



No. Constitutional cases are never decided in a vacuum. If you think that you understand NOTHING about the law.

Yes, it really matters what situation you are referring to.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 9:57:06 AM   
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A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.
Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.
What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??


Does it matter what situation I'm referring to?

And, Constitutional cases certainly can be decided in a vacuum. Either it's Constitutional, or it's not.



No. Constitutional cases are never decided in a vacuum. If you think that you understand NOTHING about the law.

Yes, it really matters what situation you are referring to.


I guess I don't understand the law either, since that's the impression I always got, too. Lawyers and the judiciary seem to operate in their own little world, somewhat out of touch with the needs of society or public opinion in general. That's part of the reason why there are so many problems in society today. It's really the lawyers' fault for most of society's problems, since they hold all the power and could use it to do good, but they don't. I truly don't mean any offense, because I know you're a lawyer, but let's face it: The reputation of your profession is well-deserved.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 10:09:10 AM   
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A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.
Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.
What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??

Does it matter what situation I'm referring to?
And, Constitutional cases certainly can be decided in a vacuum. Either it's Constitutional, or it's not.

No. Constitutional cases are never decided in a vacuum. If you think that you understand NOTHING about the law.
Yes, it really matters what situation you are referring to.


With as much reliance on previous determinations, not ever Constitutional case is judged based solely on its merits.

And, I was incorrect about the elected official and the item being in his office. I was thinking of the Alabama Judge, Roy Moore. But, it was a monument outside the court building. I thought it was a plaque in his office.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 4:20:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are confusing merits with facts....not the same thing.

The details of your scenario DO, in fact, matter....I'm just explaining the reality here.


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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 4:27:09 PM   
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A teacher displaying a plaque in a PUBLIC school is absolutely violating the Constitution.
Constitutional cases are decided on facts, not in a vacuum.
What situation are you referring to regarding an elected official (a teacher is not an elected official)? If an elected official chooses to put up a plaque in their private home, no one cares and they are within their rights to do so. Who has stopped an elected official from putting up a religious plaque in their private property?? Again, what are you referring to??


Does it matter what situation I'm referring to?

And, Constitutional cases certainly can be decided in a vacuum. Either it's Constitutional, or it's not.



No. Constitutional cases are never decided in a vacuum. If you think that you understand NOTHING about the law.

Yes, it really matters what situation you are referring to.


I guess I don't understand the law either, since that's the impression I always got, too. Lawyers and the judiciary seem to operate in their own little world, somewhat out of touch with the needs of society or public opinion in general. That's part of the reason why there are so many problems in society today. It's really the lawyers' fault for most of society's problems, since they hold all the power and could use it to do good, but they don't. I truly don't mean any offense, because I know you're a lawyer, but let's face it: The reputation of your profession is well-deserved.



I'm not sure what your rant is about in all honesty. I am just saying that cases are decided based on the facts presented - that is all. Not talking rocket science here, and also not talking about the legal profession, or anything else that you raise. Let me ask you a basic question. How is a court supposed to find someone either guilty of a crime, or liable for a civil wrong if they do not have any FACTS in front of them. If I take you to court and say you killed someone, with no other evidence, no other facts presented, do you really think they will just put in jail and throw away the key? Because that seems to be what you are saying. All I am saying is that the facts as presented do matter in terms of how a court decides a case. They can't decide in a vacuum without any facts, evidence or law. If they could, I literally could accuse you of murder and just have you found guilty. No facts presented, in a vacuum. Is that really how you think things work? Wow.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 4:41:37 PM   
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And, I was incorrect about the elected official and the item being in his office. I was thinking of the Alabama Judge, Roy Moore. But, it was a monument outside the court building. I thought it was a plaque in his office.

That monument to intolerance was so blatantly unconstitutional that the rest of the Alabama supreme court, a body not well known for its respect for minority rights, demanded it be removed

In the years between his removal and his baffling election victory back to the court he went around the south with that rock on a trailer shilling for money. His most recent election campaign was funded by a racist theocrat.

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RE: Ronald Reagan betrayed the Republicans!!! - 5/2/2013 5:30:19 PM   
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That monument to intolerance


The Ten Commandments is a monument to intolerance?!? Where the fuck do you get this shit?


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