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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 1:40:12 PM   
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Oh? Perhaps to be credible you can share this "back story"? But in the meantime, let me share this, from what I have read the administration cannot protect or even rescue Americans, which from what I read in the Constitution is it's primary responsibility, "to provide for the common defense" and from what I read the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces charged with this Constitutional responsibility and "reason for being". So, we should fire him for failing. Failure is not an option for the President and fail he did.


Why not go ask Osama bin Laden how the current President of the United States of America '...provide for the common defense...'?

While your at it, check your 'hatred of the president' at the door. Since it was not he would gave us the watered down version of The Affordable Care Act. His version was much better, kept costs down, and allowed for more freedom with medical care for the common people. You want to know who screwed that up? Go have a chat with the party you elect each year like a drone....

If the President has done so badly with "...to provide for the common defense....", does that not also mean you should blame former President George W. Bush at least a hundred times as much? So you are blaming a guy who is doing a hundred times better job than the previous sitting president, rather than encourage him to do better?


You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

What about my post indicates I "hate" Obama and what has the unafordable care act got to do with this, are you trying to change the subject, I suppose I would if I had to defend Obama's performance on Benghazi, I suppose I'd have to talk about such things as "hatred" and "George W. Bush" and "common people".

This is too damn funny. You made my day.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 1:46:39 PM   
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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:05:51 PM   
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"One day after The White House released 100 pages of Benghazi emails, a report has surfaced alleging that Republicans released a set with altered text.

CBS News reported Thursday that leaked versions sent out by the GOP last Friday had visible differences than Wednesday's official batch. Two correspondences that were singled out in the report came from National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes and State Department Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

The GOP version of Rhodes' comment, according to CBS News: "We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don't want to undermine the FBI investigation."

The White House email: "We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation."

The GOP version of Nuland's comment, according to CBS News: The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda's presence and activities of al-Qaeda."

The White House email: "The penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."

The news parallels a Tuesday CNN report which initially introduced the contradiction between what was revealed in a White House Benghazi email version, versus what was reported in media outlets. On Monday, Mother Jones noted that the Republicans' interim report included the correct version of the emails, signaling that more malice and less incompetence may have been at play with the alleged alterations.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/republicans-benghazi-emails_n_3289428.html?utm_hp_ref=politics



Yes. Well I of course looked into this while enjoying a great cup of coffee on my back deck, and after knowing The Administration constantly altered talking points then one can see why there are different versions of the same text, not because the GOP changed them but because those in the Administration were constantly watering them down with different drafts going back and forth. Besides, it is certain according to the Huffintonpost that the GOP in fact release their first report with one verson and then their final with another version of constantly changing Administration talking points.

I've provided an example given in the article below, the first is the GOP version the second the Obama final version, I actually think the final version is no more or no less damming than the prior Administration version released in the GOP report BUT YOU DECIDE. :)

The GOP version of Nuland's comment, according to CBS News: The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda's presence and activities of al-Qaeda."

The White House email: "The penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."


One thing I notice right off is the GOP version is stating a factual happening" Previous warning provided by the Agency about..." whereas the Obama version is about fear, fear that some might use the point that the State Department was not paying attention to Agency warnings and thatmight be used to "abuse" that same State Department (Hillary and her boss).

The second Obama term is overshadowed by a fear based on what I have read. A fear of exposure.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:07:27 PM   
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What then is the ultimate point of this teabagging asswipe.  Now that we know the penultimate one.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:12:52 PM   
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You Do realize you were long ago blocked.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:24:14 PM   
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Oh What a Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice to Deceive




1) Where was the President while the attacked was pressed?

2) At what point did this obscure movie/video/youtube thing become the focal point?



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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:26:10 PM   
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Why dont you insiders tell us, and then give us the actual quotes of everything everyone said or thought, you seem to have it in hallucinatory form, at the least.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:40:37 PM   
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I don't see what the big deal is, they both say pretty much the same thing, the "Republican versions" are just more clear because they clarify what parties are being discussed.


Perhaps a closer association with the meaning of the word quote would be useful.

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She is correct. Drilling down into the facts is a good thing, not bad. But nice spin.quote:


Perhaps a closer association with the meaning of the word quote would be useful.


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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:43:50 PM   
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As compared to faux news which it's owner refers to as the "propaganda arm of the republican party"


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That shot is meaningless and suggests you having nothing substantial to counter her excellent points.


Faux news says that they are a news program but the owner of faux news states that it is propaganda. How is this spin?

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:47:33 PM   
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One of the reasons it is refered to as faux news is that they refuse to broadcast the facts. In canada that is illegal so faux news is not allowed to spread it's propaganda in canada.


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This is also incredible. If I were to sink to your level I would suggest MSNBC is the propaganda arm of the Left. Oops...


Google will provide, for those who care to look, a list of who owns the different news media. Ebay will,I am pretty sure, have a fair selection of pry bars to help the ignorant remove their feet from their collective mouths.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 2:54:22 PM   
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What went wrong??????Because someone recognized a "soft target" and took it implies that something went wrong????


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No. What is wrong is it was a soft target to begin with because of poor leadership from the top and is softer even now that we have lost face in the world by letting it happen. Hellooo...reality check.
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Clearly a reality check is called for:
world trade center should have been better protected
oklahoma city building should have been better protected
tet offensive of 68 should have been better protected against
pearl harbor should have been better protected
the lusitania should have been better protected
the main should have been better protected
the alamo should have been better protected
the white house would not have been burned by the britts if it had been better protected.
Helloooooo ....reality cheque!


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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 3:14:54 PM   
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Perhaps a little research on the "back story" about the vidio. From what I have read it looks like the administration is tryng to get enough traction to go after the fellow who made it.



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Oh? Perhaps to be credible you can share this "back story"?



The story is there for any to read who choose.


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But in the meantime, let me share this, from what I have read the administration cannot protect or even rescue Americans, which from what I read in the Constitution is it's primary responsibility, "to provide for the common defense"


Most americans with a pulse and a three digit iq know that that is not in the constitution.
Most americans know that to be in the preamble to the declaration of independence. It was one of the several reasons these englishmen gave for deciding to commit treason and rebel against the legally constituted government.



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and from what I read the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces charged with this Constitutional responsibility


That is not in the constitution. Google could help here.

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and "reason for being". So, we should fire him for failing. Failure is not an option for the President and fail he did.


Rambo rhetoric belongs in movies not in a serious discussion.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 3:34:57 PM   
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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him?


This post shows a complete ignorance of how the u.s. military works.
The seals are navy and as such are controlled by navy department(military) via the department of the navy(civilian) subject to aproval by congress.
The marines are the only troops that the president "owns".
The marines report to the commandant of the marine corps(military)who reports directly to the president, is administratively controlled by the department of the navy(civilian)and requires no consultation with congress about their use as is constitutionally required for the president to use the army,navy or air force. I hope this makes clear that neither bush nor obama has a seal team. The navy has several seal teams and if the president wants to use them he has to order their use through the navy chain of command(he does not just summon the seal team and tell them ok guys here is .....)to use them and he has to ask congress for money to pay them.
I post this exposition in the conscious hope that it has disabused some of their ignorance.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 3:51:35 PM   
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Why dont you insiders tell us, and then give us the actual quotes of everything everyone said or thought, you seem to have it in hallucinatory form, at the least.



I have no idea.... but ahh... they are reasonable questions no?

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 4:36:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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Oh? Perhaps to be credible you can share this "back story"? But in the meantime, let me share this, from what I have read the administration cannot protect or even rescue Americans, which from what I read in the Constitution is it's primary responsibility, "to provide for the common defense" and from what I read the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces charged with this Constitutional responsibility and "reason for being". So, we should fire him for failing. Failure is not an option for the President and fail he did.


Why not go ask Osama bin Laden how the current President of the United States of America '...provide for the common defense...'?

While your at it, check your 'hatred of the president' at the door. Since it was not he would gave us the watered down version of The Affordable Care Act. His version was much better, kept costs down, and allowed for more freedom with medical care for the common people. You want to know who screwed that up? Go have a chat with the party you elect each year like a drone....

If the President has done so badly with "...to provide for the common defense....", does that not also mean you should blame former President George W. Bush at least a hundred times as much? So you are blaming a guy who is doing a hundred times better job than the previous sitting president, rather than encourage him to do better?


You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

What about my post indicates I "hate" Obama and what has the unafordable care act got to do with this, are you trying to change the subject, I suppose I would if I had to defend Obama's performance on Benghazi, I suppose I'd have to talk about such things as "hatred" and "George W. Bush" and "common people".

This is too damn funny. You made my day.



Bush closes CIA`s bin-laden unit.....


http://womensenews.org/story/rape/090701/spousal-rape-laws-continue-evolve


This direct evidence of bush failure and cowardice.
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"Time magazine got their hands of a copy of a memo that then-CIA chief Leon Panetta wrote after he got the order from President Barack Obama's top national security aide to launch the raid that killed Osama bin Laden almost a year ago.

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault," Panetta wrote in the hand-written memo dated April 29"

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/memo-panetta-wrote-on-obamas-order-to-kill


This is direct evidence of President Obama`s leadership.

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I think back to Mitt Romney, in 2007, saying it wasn't "worth moving heaven and earth" to get Osama bin Laden, and the Iraq veteran in me thanks God he wasn't president these past few years.

For those wondering, that's not a made-up quote. Romney said it in an interview with the Associated Press. It's clear that Romney would have become just as disinterested in killing Osama bin Laden as George W. Bush had become. President Bush, of course, said, "I really don't spend that much time thinking about [bin Laden]."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/-romney-wouldnt-have-move_b_1790850.html


Direct evidence that mittens would have pussied out.

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"CIA Chief Panetta: Obama Made 'Gutsy' Decision on Bin Laden Raid"


"CIA director: Well, the problem was we were never really certain about whether or not bin Laden was there. We had gathered an awful lot of intelligence. And obviously, when we found this compound -- because of the unique features of the compound -- and then began to really take a look at it and continue surveillance over that compound, we were able to look at the -- where the families were located, the fact that the families resembled the family of bin Laden. We noticed an individual who was pacing in the courtyard who at least had some of the appearances of it. But we were never able to verify that in fact it was him.

But when you put all these pieces together -- the security precautions, the nature of the compound, some of the additional information that we had gotten -- we had the best intelligence case that we ever had on bin Laden since Tora Bora. And I think it was that information that required that we had an obligation to act. And that's why the president took the steps that he did.

JIM LEHRER: Was there a temptation to not take that risk with troops and go ahead and just bomb the place with drones or something else?

LEON PANETTA: We looked at several options that were discussed by the president and by the national security team. And one of those was a B-2 bombing attack that would just blow the place up. The problem with that is that it involves some serious collateral damage. And the president decided against that.

We looked at possibly some other more precise ways to try to conduct this. But frankly, no one had a sense of confidence that that would work. And the third was the assault. And we knew what the risks were. Once those teams go on the ground, what were they going to confront? What were they going to find? Would they be - could they be locked into that compound because of the Pakistanis suddenly attacking that compound and putting them in a very difficult position?

All of those risks were debated. All of them were thoroughly explored. And in the end, I think that's why the president made a very gutsy decision by deciding that for all of those risks, we had to do this. And frankly, my instructions to Adm. McRaven were, admiral, go in, get bin Laden. And if he's not there, get the hell out."


And there...are some examples and evidence(the real kind,not made-up gop poop) of courage,guts and leadership.




http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/jan-june11/panetta_05-03.html


Now, to the toothless dolts who either don`t give the President credit(Obama didn`t kill bin-laden,SEAL team 6 did) or claim the decision to go after bin-laden was an easy decision,a no-brainer,no biggy.....it`s obvious these mouthbreathers have never been in a leadership position,had much pressure in life and /or never had to make tough decisions.Let alone life and death decisions.


Thank goodness their deccission to vote for mitt was overruled.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 4:41:20 PM   
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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.




Dont cloud the issue with pertinent facts Ken.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 5:49:43 PM   
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Yes. Well I of course looked into this while enjoying a great cup of coffee on my back deck, and after knowing The Administration constantly altered talking points then one can see why there are different versions of the same text, not because the GOP changed them but because those in the Administration were constantly watering them down with different drafts going back and forth. Besides, it is certain according to the Huffintonpost that the GOP in fact release their first report with one verson and then their final with another version of constantly changing Administration talking points.

You didn't look very hard. These are emails sent from government servers. They are very clearly identified. These are not multiple drafts or any such nonsense. The ones released by the administration are obviously legit, if there was any doubt they would get subpoenaed, and the ones you think are real are phony made up by someone who was too dumb to realize the administration could simply release the rel versions.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 7:39:38 PM   
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CBS News doesn't have the best track record when it comes to validating things like this.

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/17/2013 8:42:38 PM   
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CBS News doesn't have the best track record when it comes to validating things like this.

Too bad for you that CNN is the organization that first broke this story.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/14/cnn-exclusive-white-house-email-contradicts-benghazi-leaks/

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RE: Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Repor... - 5/18/2013 7:48:51 AM   
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Why dont you insiders tell us, and then give us the actual quotes of everything everyone said or thought, you seem to have it in hallucinatory form, at the least.



I have no idea.... but ahh... they are reasonable questions no?


Generally:
No, not reasonable questions, but dishonest accusations.  A reasonable question would be a question not of the wifebeating form and ending in a question mark.  What better way to indicate a question in the English language? 

Your two questions are honest questions, but whether or not they are reasonable is a different matter.  What would they prove, disprove or amend?

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