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ORIGINAL: Arturas Oh? Perhaps to be credible you can share this "back story"? But in the meantime, let me share this, from what I have read the administration cannot protect or even rescue Americans, which from what I read in the Constitution is it's primary responsibility, "to provide for the common defense" and from what I read the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces charged with this Constitutional responsibility and "reason for being". So, we should fire him for failing. Failure is not an option for the President and fail he did. Why not go ask Osama bin Laden how the current President of the United States of America '...provide for the common defense...'? While your at it, check your 'hatred of the president' at the door. Since it was not he would gave us the watered down version of The Affordable Care Act. His version was much better, kept costs down, and allowed for more freedom with medical care for the common people. You want to know who screwed that up? Go have a chat with the party you elect each year like a drone.... If the President has done so badly with "...to provide for the common defense....", does that not also mean you should blame former President George W. Bush at least a hundred times as much? So you are blaming a guy who is doing a hundred times better job than the previous sitting president, rather than encourage him to do better? You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe. What about my post indicates I "hate" Obama and what has the unafordable care act got to do with this, are you trying to change the subject, I suppose I would if I had to defend Obama's performance on Benghazi, I suppose I'd have to talk about such things as "hatred" and "George W. Bush" and "common people". This is too damn funny. You made my day. Bush closes CIA`s bin-laden unit..... http://womensenews.org/story/rape/090701/spousal-rape-laws-continue-evolve This direct evidence of bush failure and cowardice. ~~~~~~~~ "Time magazine got their hands of a copy of a memo that then-CIA chief Leon Panetta wrote after he got the order from President Barack Obama's top national security aide to launch the raid that killed Osama bin Laden almost a year ago. "Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault," Panetta wrote in the hand-written memo dated April 29" http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/memo-panetta-wrote-on-obamas-order-to-kill This is direct evidence of President Obama`s leadership. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think back to Mitt Romney, in 2007, saying it wasn't "worth moving heaven and earth" to get Osama bin Laden, and the Iraq veteran in me thanks God he wasn't president these past few years. For those wondering, that's not a made-up quote. Romney said it in an interview with the Associated Press. It's clear that Romney would have become just as disinterested in killing Osama bin Laden as George W. Bush had become. President Bush, of course, said, "I really don't spend that much time thinking about [bin Laden]." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/-romney-wouldnt-have-move_b_1790850.html Direct evidence that mittens would have pussied out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "CIA Chief Panetta: Obama Made 'Gutsy' Decision on Bin Laden Raid" "CIA director: Well, the problem was we were never really certain about whether or not bin Laden was there. We had gathered an awful lot of intelligence. And obviously, when we found this compound -- because of the unique features of the compound -- and then began to really take a look at it and continue surveillance over that compound, we were able to look at the -- where the families were located, the fact that the families resembled the family of bin Laden. We noticed an individual who was pacing in the courtyard who at least had some of the appearances of it. But we were never able to verify that in fact it was him. But when you put all these pieces together -- the security precautions, the nature of the compound, some of the additional information that we had gotten -- we had the best intelligence case that we ever had on bin Laden since Tora Bora. And I think it was that information that required that we had an obligation to act. And that's why the president took the steps that he did. JIM LEHRER: Was there a temptation to not take that risk with troops and go ahead and just bomb the place with drones or something else? LEON PANETTA: We looked at several options that were discussed by the president and by the national security team. And one of those was a B-2 bombing attack that would just blow the place up. The problem with that is that it involves some serious collateral damage. And the president decided against that. We looked at possibly some other more precise ways to try to conduct this. But frankly, no one had a sense of confidence that that would work. And the third was the assault. And we knew what the risks were. Once those teams go on the ground, what were they going to confront? What were they going to find? Would they be - could they be locked into that compound because of the Pakistanis suddenly attacking that compound and putting them in a very difficult position? All of those risks were debated. All of them were thoroughly explored. And in the end, I think that's why the president made a very gutsy decision by deciding that for all of those risks, we had to do this. And frankly, my instructions to Adm. McRaven were, admiral, go in, get bin Laden. And if he's not there, get the hell out." And there...are some examples and evidence(the real kind,not made-up gop poop) of courage,guts and leadership. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/jan-june11/panetta_05-03.html Now, to the toothless dolts who either don`t give the President credit(Obama didn`t kill bin-laden,SEAL team 6 did) or claim the decision to go after bin-laden was an easy decision,a no-brainer,no biggy.....it`s obvious these mouthbreathers have never been in a leadership position,had much pressure in life and /or never had to make tough decisions.Let alone life and death decisions. Thank goodness their deccission to vote for mitt was overruled.
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"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals" President Obama
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