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1) Where was the President while the attacked was pressed?

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2) At what point did this obscure movie/video/youtube thing become the focal point?

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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

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The U.S. intelligence community effort to determine the current location of Osama bin Laden, which eventually resulted in the Abbottabad operation, began with a fragment of information unearthed in 2002, resulting in years of consequent investigation. Beginning in September 2010, leads had been followed to the Abbottabad urban compound and the U.S. began intensive multiplatform surveillance on it.

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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden."[16] He added: "It is our No. 1 priority and we will not rest until we find him."[16]

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Well, deep in my heart, I know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. And I – you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We hadn't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is really – indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror's bigger than one person. And he's just – he's a person who has now been marginalized. His network is – his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. ... And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became – we shoved him out more and more on the margins.

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"Serving and former US Navy SEALs have slammed President Barack Obama for taking the credit for killing Osama bin Laden and accused him of using Special Forces operators as ‘ammunition’ for his re-election campaign.
The SEALs spoke out to MailOnline after the Obama campaign released an ad entitled ‘One Chance’.
In it President Bill Clinton is featured saying that Mr Obama took ‘the harder and the more honourable path’ in ordering that bin Laden be killed. The words ‘Which path would Mitt Romney have taken?’ are then displayed.

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Ryan Zinke, a former Commander in the US Navy who spent 23 years as a SEAL and led a SEAL Team 6 assault unit, said: ‘The decision was a no brainer. I applaud him for making it but I would not overly pat myself on the back for making the right call.
‘I think every president would have done the same. He is justified in saying it was his decision but the preparation, the sacrifice - it was a broader team effort.’
Mr Zinke, who is now a Republican state senator in Montana, added that MR Obama was exploiting bin Laden’s death for his re-election bid. ‘The President and his administration are positioning him as a war president using the SEALs as ammunition. It was predictable.’

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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

Not so fast, I know a drive-by posting when I see one...but nice try...

Six months later, on March 13, 2002, in an interview with CNN, Bush stated:

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Well, deep in my heart, I know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. And I – you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We hadn't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is really – indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror's bigger than one person. And he's just – he's a person who has now been marginalized. His network is – his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. ... And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became – we shoved him out more and more on the margins.

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The originals jibe well with a group dealing with the 'fog of war' trying to meet with the demands on them. The altered versions fit the conspiracy theories that politics were the prime consideration along with covering the bureaucrats' ass.
That the originals were available and 'spin' was put in quotes shows the clear understanding by those making an issue of all this that truth walks, lies fly. I talk to Faux News true believers every day, none Ever question a story they've heard and tune out any later 'clarification'. Why the Republicans still can get adults to vote for them? We'll diss the Democrats for their different faults on other threads?

I don't see what the big deal is, they both say pretty much the same thing, the "Republican versions" are just more clear because they clarify what parties are being discussed. Also did I miss where a computer tech verified which is the original versions? To believe that what the administration says are the originals, just because they say so, is foolish given how many times their stories have changed so far.

And not to be confrontational but your opinion is kind of diminished by the fact that you refer to Fox News as Faux News. You don't already have a bias, do you? Personally I watch all the different news channels and read various articles on the Internet because there is bias in all of them and to get the truth you need to see things from every perspective.

Finally, in regards to the post above about all this being to diminish Hillary Clinton, here name is mentioned so much because she was supposed to be in charge of that department. I understand that as large as the government is she can't be expected to know every detail, which is a problem for a different discussion, but she made herself look foolish by not gathering ever detail she could after the fact, to find out what went wrong. Blaming a video and suggesting that we can fix the problem, without knowing what caused it also did not help her cause. How many months later, in her little "what does it matter now" blow up, she still couldn't say that it was terrorism, it was because of a video or just people out for a walk. smh

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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

Not so fast, I know a drive-by posting when I see one...but nice try...

from Wikipedia, during W's first term

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The U.S. intelligence community effort to determine the current location of Osama bin Laden, which eventually resulted in the Abbottabad operation, began with a fragment of information unearthed in 2002, resulting in years of consequent investigation. Beginning in September 2010, leads had been followed to the Abbottabad urban compound and the U.S. began intensive multiplatform surveillance on it.

again, from history...
Two days after the September 11 attacks, U.S. President George W. Bush stated:

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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden."[16] He added: "It is our No. 1 priority and we will not rest until we find him."[16]

Six months later, on March 13, 2002, in an interview with CNN, Bush stated:

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Well, deep in my heart, I know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. And I – you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We hadn't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is really – indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror's bigger than one person. And he's just – he's a person who has now been marginalized. His network is – his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. ... And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became – we shoved him out more and more on the margins.

Let's hear from Seal Team 6 on the subject with a quote from their Commander, now retired ("oh shit!" says Obama):

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"Serving and former US Navy SEALs have slammed President Barack Obama for taking the credit for killing Osama bin Laden and accused him of using Special Forces operators as ‘ammunition’ for his re-election campaign.
The SEALs spoke out to MailOnline after the Obama campaign released an ad entitled ‘One Chance’.
In it President Bill Clinton is featured saying that Mr Obama took ‘the harder and the more honourable path’ in ordering that bin Laden be killed. The words ‘Which path would Mitt Romney have taken?’ are then displayed.

Now, from the Commander of Seal Team Six: "I think I'll go golfing, excuse me, I need to leave now", says Obama):

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Ryan Zinke, a former Commander in the US Navy who spent 23 years as a SEAL and led a SEAL Team 6 assault unit, said: ‘The decision was a no brainer. I applaud him for making it but I would not overly pat myself on the back for making the right call.
‘I think every president would have done the same. He is justified in saying it was his decision but the preparation, the sacrifice - it was a broader team effort.’
Mr Zinke, who is now a Republican state senator in Montana, added that MR Obama was exploiting bin Laden’s death for his re-election bid. ‘The President and his administration are positioning him as a war president using the SEALs as ammunition. It was predictable.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/Osama-bin-Laden-death-SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit.html#ixzz2Tkx5cXOS
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So, here we see Osama put into real perspective, a symbol but not a threat to us simply because he had been made so by Bush and of course it is true also that America did not suffer any attacks from Osama or others for that matter during Bush's watch. We also see that Obama simply used what the previous administration provided once the opportunity presented itself but then we see the real heroes, and me, denouncing Obama while you hold him up, who are we to believe? Finally, in the final months of Obama's first term when each President makes his leadership and ability to provide for the common defense known to those who would attack us, our homeland is attacked for the first time since 9/11 and we have our embassy attacked, our ambassador tortured and murdered along with other brave Americans while our leadership watched from an overhead spy drone and while a Seal Team sits idle after being ordered not to rescue our people. These are the facts so waving Osama's killing in front of us to prove Obama is doing a great job of providing for our defense is a stretch, a desperate one.


Give me a clear understanding.

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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

Not so fast, I know a drive-by posting when I see one...but nice try...

Six months later, on March 13, 2002, in an interview with CNN, Bush stated:

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Well, deep in my heart, I know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. And I – you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We hadn't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is really – indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror's bigger than one person. And he's just – he's a person who has now been marginalized. His network is – his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. ... And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became – we shoved him out more and more on the margins.

So like I said Bush didn't try and find him and left him alive to serve as a financier and supporter of more killings.

As to the Seal Team 6 stuff unsoured quotes about a team whose membership is classified and the members of which would lose their jobs if they even revealed they were members in a famously right wing publication does not convince me of anything.

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So like I said Bush didn't try and find him and left him alive to serve as a financier and supporter of more killings.

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Seal team six was founded in the 1970's, Chuck Farrar in his book about the Seals was part of team 6, and he was in Lebanon in 1983, so it predates both Bush's, it dates to the mid 1970's (I think it was Ford). The claim seal team 6 was bush's is quite frankly historically wrong.

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As far as Bush and OSB goes, he gave up the hunt when he invaded Iraq, troops who were close to getting him at Tora Bora were suddenly deployed out to Iraq, and it was then that Bush started backpedaling on OSB,much the same way that the Iraq war went from being about WMD's, to suddenly being "Operation Iraqi Freedom" when the WMD thing was found to be bogus

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As far as Bush and OSB goes, he gave up the hunt when he invaded Iraq, troops who were close to getting him at Tora Bora were suddenly deployed out to Iraq, and it was then that Bush started backpedaling on OSB,much the same way that the Iraq war went from being about WMD's, to suddenly being "Operation Iraqi Freedom" when the WMD thing was found to be bogus

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WMDs 'smuggled into Syria'(Australia News)
The Australian ^ | Jan. 10, 2004 | Correspondends in Washington, DC

Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 4:53:45 PM by FairOpinion

THE White House said today it lacked "hard evidence" to back a Syrian dissident's claim that Iraqi chemical and biological arms were smuggled into Syria before the US-led March invasion.

"I want to be very clear: We don't, at this point, have any indications that I would consider credible and firm that that has taken place. But we will tie down every lead," said national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

However, Rice refused to rule out the scenario raised by Paris-based Syrian dissident Nijar Nijjof, who told Britain's independent Channel Five News that a senior Syrian military intelligence source had told him about the weapons.

"There hasn't been any hard evidence that such a thing happened," she told reporters, but "I can't dismiss anything that we haven't had an opportunity to fully assess".

US-led forces in control of Iraq for months have yet to locate the vast arsenals of chemical and biological weapons that President George W. Bush accused Saddam Hussein of possessing in violation of UN resolutions.

The unnamed source revealed that the weapons were smuggled across the Iraqi border in ambulances before the war that led to Saddam's ouster, Nijjof said.

"I knew this man during the last two years, he sent me much information," Nijjof said of his contact.

"I don't think we are at the point that we can make a judgment on this issue. But obviously we're going to follow up every lead and it would be a serious problem if that, in fact, did happen," said Rice.

Syrian President Bashar Assad on Tuesday rejected British and US calls to renounce weapons of mass destruction and indicated that he would not abandon his country's suspected chemical and biological programs unless Israel gave up its undeclared nuclear arsenal.

"We are a country which is (partially) occupied, and from time to time we are exposed to Israeli aggression," Assad told the London-based Daily Telegraph newspaper.

"It is natural for us to look for means to defend ourselves," he said.

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Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
newsmax.com ^ | May 17, 2004 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 5:01:20 PM by Tailgunner Joe

The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the liberal community and mass media in a panic.

The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during a news conference in Baghdad.

Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.

The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when Hans Blix asked to see them.

The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.

Saddam and Osama

The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad. Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the "no threat here" argument out of the water.

However, that is not enough for the left.

The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.

Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.

Kill U.N. Teams

It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written in English were discovered with the weapons.

The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons with its conventional explosives.

The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to conceal its arms technology.

According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the country.

The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained "rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and delivery systems.

France and Russia

Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and his own people.

The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.

It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell, that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.

Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the arms he purchased from Russia.

The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military machine.

According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were "nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I."

Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled with chemical weapons.

Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air superiority.

The Next Attack

We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches - when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not make just one - he made tons.

Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N. inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points beyond.

U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.

We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and again that George Bush lied.

The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.

The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery. How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of adequate proof.

Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have to die from such a weapon to qualify?

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by "Bush's Seal Team Six", there is no implication that Bush owned it or started it but that he handed over to Obama a well trained and ready military which includes the Seal Teams. So don't try and marginalize the post that includes the Commander of Seal Team Six being quoted as saying any president would have ordered the attack and is very upset by the way Obama used it. Those are the facts.

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You believe Obama provided for our common defense when he approved a proposal to send Bush's seal team in to kill him? I think that is like saying I make a great hot dog when my neighbor hands me the hot dog, bun and condiments and receipe.

Obama is the one who told the CIA to find OBL. Bush had closed down the team that was supposed to find him. Seal Team 6 predates Bush and was never his team, I'm guessing you would be wise not to call them that to their faces.

Not so fast, I know a drive-by posting when I see one...but nice try...

Six months later, on March 13, 2002, in an interview with CNN, Bush stated:

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Well, deep in my heart, I know the man's on the run if he's alive at all. And I – you know, who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not? We hadn't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is really – indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror's bigger than one person. And he's just – he's a person who has now been marginalized. His network is – his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. ... And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But, you know, once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became – we shoved him out more and more on the margins.

So like I said Bush didn't try and find him and left him alive to serve as a financier and supporter of more killings.

As to the Seal Team 6 stuff unsoured quotes about a team whose membership is classified and the members of which would lose their jobs if they even revealed they were members in a famously right wing publication does not convince me of anything.

The source is listed in the post. The speaker is the retired Commander of Seal Team Six.

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So like I said Bush didn't try and find him and left him alive to serve as a financier and supporter of more killings.

Like Bush said, Osama was marginalized, so what killings did Osama Bin Laden support while running from Bush? Pray tell?

The ones in Benghazi? Oh wait, my mistake, those occurred after Osama Bin Laden was killed so I guess killing Bin Laden made good press but did little to "provide for the common defense" since we were not attacked again during Bush's watch but only when Obama became Commander in Chief. Say, this calls to mind a certain historical parallel. Does anyone remember President Carter and how our embassy and it's staff were taken while Carter destroyed our military during his term and then right after Reagan was elected and before he became Commander in Chief, the Iranians release the embassy staff knowing full well when Reagan took command the shit would hit the fan if the hostages were not released. I hope this is not the way it is going this time with a liberal President since we will suffer more attacks and even bombings on American soil...oops, already happened didn't it. Shit, we are fucked.

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"Bogus WMDs?". Who said? What source says unequivocally there were never any WMD's in Iraq? Then what happened to the nerve gas supplies from which the Iraqi Air Force dropped nerve gas bombs on more than one northern Iraqi Kurdish Villages?

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since we were not attacked again during Bush's watch

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Reagan also got 270 marines killed in Lebanon

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Reagan also got 270 marines killed in Lebanon

How?

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We were attacked during Bush's watch. There were numerous domstic terror attacks udring his administration and Al Qaeda was involved in killing hundreds of US servicemen in both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as being suspected in some of the many attacks on our Embassy's which in case you don't know are US soil just as much as your backyard.

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Reagan also got 270 marines killed in Lebanon

How?

Did not allow the gate guards to carry their weapons loaded for a start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

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The Beirut Barracks Memorial honors the 241 American servicemen who were killed in the October 23, 1983 bombing of American Marines barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. The bombing occurred during the Lebanese Civil War, when two truck bombs, detonated by suicide bombers, struck separate buildings housing United States and French military members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon killing a total of 299 American and French servicemen. The memorial is located in section 59.

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"Bogus WMDs?". Who said? What source says unequivocally there were never any WMD's in Iraq? Then what happened to the nerve gas supplies from which the Iraqi Air Force dropped nerve gas bombs on more than one northern Iraqi Kurdish Villages?

They were all destroyed in the aftermath of the first gulf war as was required by the peace agrrement. No WMD's were ever found and no facilities to produce or store them were found to have been in operation since the mid 90's.

BTW they sent their aircraft to Iran during the first gulf war and never got them back (Iran kept them). They had almost no fixed wing combat aircraft when W sent the troops in. I hope you weren't trying to obfuscate things by conflating the two Bush's.

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exactly what happed to the nerve gas, the WMD, that Saddam used on his own population?

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They were all destroyed in the aftermath of the first gulf war as was required by the peace agrrement.

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exactly what happed to the nerve gas, the WMD, that Saddam used on his own population?

It was used. And once it's used, you can't use it again.

Scott Ritter might be a creep, but he's a decorated Marine, and was 100% accurate.