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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		What facts are you reporting...He said what he said... now time will tell if he meant them... you sure as heck don't know.

Yet because his is a believer and you are not you think you know his mind...and you still can't see how you are being a hypocrite?

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:25:11 PM   
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What facts are you reporting...He said what he said... now time will tell if he meant them... you sure as heck don't know

Catholic Church confirms atheists still go to hell, after Pope Francis suggests they might go to heaven

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Yet because his is a believer and you are not you think you know his mind...and you still can't see how you are being a hypocrite?

Is this personal name calling really necessary?

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:26:19 PM   
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Legally, I've yet to hear about a "hate" crime where atheists were attacked. Again, if you have something, please by all means post it.

Murder of an atheist for being an atheist
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/texas-man-allegedly-killed-soldier-for-not-believing-in-god/

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now show me where in the link you provided where the Pope went back on his words...

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:28:40 PM   
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Now show me where in the link you provided where the Pope went back on his words...

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:29:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Calling you a hypocrite is pointing out facts presented in this thread...it is not calling you anything ...just stating the truth

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 2:32:07 PM   
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Calling you a hypocrite is pointing out facts presented in this thread...it is not calling you anything ...just stating the truth

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It is a personal attack, Butch. You just can't handle the truth.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 3:54:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vince I took a walk...and yes I can see where you could take my words as a personal attack...So let me amend what I said... I do not think you a hypocrite and I apologize for calling you one. What I should have said and will say now is your thinking is hypocritical. There is a difference in intent I hope you see that.

I believe you to be a fair minded person and I think if you step back from our argument you will see there is some merit in what I am saying. Not as much as I believe of course but merit.

I think you are so caught up in the righteousness of your thoughts and beliefs that you can't see that you are displaying some of the same intolerance you are arguing against. I believe that true of many ...me included at times.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 4:14:07 PM   
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Religious theists in America, and especially Christians, are simply going to have to come to terms with the fact that their religion may use "peace" and "love" a lot in its theological rhetoric, but this rhetoric doesn't always translate into real behavior. Some people are simply too different to love and treat as full equals. Atheists fall into this category for a large number of religious believers and Christians in America."


Lets just take this and other religious threads on collarme... Who receives the hate and the contempt... the religious or the atheists.

When I walk down the street and pass strangers, which are always the majority, I have no idea their religious affiliation or lack of one... On top of that I don't care. The only people who have problems over their religion or lack of it are those that open their dumb asses mouths to tell everyone.

On these boards I see few people who go around preaching a religion ...do you see anyone doing that ? But I sure as hell see many who just cannot help themselves to proclaim their atheism and their contempt for those that believe in God and they attack on every thread... So bottom line you have things backwards.

Butch

Well errmmm . . . it is a Politics and RELIGION board after all, isn't it? So, now we are to stfu even on here? That is carrying oppression a step too far doncha think, Butch? Unbelievable. Imagine! People open their dumb asses mouth about their religion or lack of it on a Board dedicated to Religion. Who woulda thunk it?



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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 4:44:05 PM   
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As a reminder, you are free to attack the POST but not the POSTER.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 4:44:43 PM   
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Murder of an atheist for being an atheist

That is a misrepresentation of fact. From your link:

It is also not yet clear if Ramirez really was an atheist, or if that was the real reason for the killing.

K.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:01:13 PM   
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Martin Luther King Jr. despite his incredibly tame protesting was branded an extremest, threatened, beaten, bombed, stabbed, jailed, shot at and finally murdered.

So when one starts looking at the Black Panthers, guys brandishing weapons screaming black power, sure it looks crazy in a vacuum but in context it's pretty understandable how they got there.

That raises the fascinating, and probably unanswerable, question of whether King or the Panthers did more to advance the cause.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:06:21 PM   
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I'd like to plug a book by the Philosopher Alain De Botton (hilarious name) called "Religion for Atheists" - It's a very thoughtful discussion, that is very much in line with how I feel about my Atheism.

A friend gave/assigned it to me, but I didn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again if I ever finish The Accursed.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:08:46 PM   
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the Pope was just blowing smoke.

White smoke, I trust.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:10:01 PM   
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Murder of an atheist for being an atheist

That is a misrepresentation of fact. From your link:

It is also not yet clear if Ramirez really was an atheist, or if that was the real reason for the killing.

K.

Journalistic nonsense. The killer explicitly said he killed the man because he didn't believe in god. It isn't being prosecuted as a hate crime because the local DA is a coward.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:12:40 PM   
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I'd like to plug a book by the Philosopher Alain De Botton (hilarious name) called "Religion for Atheists" - It's a very thoughtful discussion, that is very much in line with how I feel about my Atheism.

A friend gave/assigned it to me, but I didn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again if I ever finish The Accursed.

It's a pretty obvious book. He argues that churches form a basic component of society and that atheists miss out on that by not being religious. It's been covered before by better writers and deeper thinkers.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:13:44 PM   
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t's a pretty obvious book. He argues that churches form a basic component of society and that atheists miss out on that by not being religious. It's been covered before by better writers and deeper thinkers.

Thank you, DK! Sounds like one I might skip then.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:17:34 PM   
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The killer explicitly said he killed the man because he didn't believe in god.

That is a misrepresentation of fact. From your link:

two nameless tipsters told police that’s what Green said to them to justify him actions

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 5:33:28 PM   
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The killer explicitly said he killed the man because he didn't believe in god.

That is a misrepresentation of fact. From your link:

two nameless tipsters told police that’s what Green said to them to justify him actions

K.

Two people with knowledge of the crime not being identified by the police for their own safety you mean. Obviously the local cops know who the tips came from and find them to be credible.

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RE: Yes, even Atheists... - 5/29/2013 6:12:25 PM   
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Let's say someone on the board tells me that you confessed to them that you were a pathological liar. It would be a material misrepresentation for me then to claim, based solely on that heresay and my judgment of its credibility, that you did in actual fact explicitly admit to being a pathological liar.

See how that works? Good! Thanks for playing.

K.








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