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Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:04:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.



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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:13:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:16:46 PM   
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When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.





You actually make sense here

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:27:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Because part of Memorial Day is remembering to not let those who have died, sacrifice be in vain, but for us all to rise up and continue the fight for liberty and justice for all.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:37:48 PM   
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Why celebrate dead soldiers?

I'd say "commemorate" or "honor" rather than "celebrate."

As for your question, Lincoln provided the best answer I know:

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:44:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good posts Aylee and DC.

Lets not forget we are not just remembering those who have died recently but those of the two world wars. The majority of those who died did so in defence of the nation. If blame is to be laid at anyones feet for being unjust, surely it has to be the politicians.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 4:59:22 PM   
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Good posts Aylee and DC.

Lets not forget we are not just remembering those who have died recently but those of the two world wars. The majority of those who died did so in defence of the nation. If blame is to be laid at anyones feet for being unjust, surely it has to be the politicians.


I cannot help but think that Fargle is a rather miserable person. I have never seen a positive post from him. Perhaps we should all hope that the Blue Bird of Happiness visits him soon.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 8:10:23 PM   
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so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste


I would love to see you say the above in a room with the love ones of those that sacrificed their life for your right to say it.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 8:18:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.





OK... The President could do this tomorrow.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 8:30:19 PM   
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Well, this is about the most revolting troll I've seen in a while. It looks like Westboro Baptist has a splinter cell.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 8:53:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
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Why celebrate dead soldiers?

I'd say "commemorate" or "honor" rather than "celebrate."
As for your question, Lincoln provided the best answer I know:
It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Great quote, DC. Thanks for posting it.


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 9:09:29 PM   
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Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.



Well, aren't you special.

Do you realize that Memorial Day also commemorates the men and slaves who died so that you wouldn't have to be a slave? The men and women who died so you could live free to spout nonsense like you just did?

Seems like your neighbor has a valid reason for leaving your newspaper out in the rain.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 9:10:13 PM   
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Soldiers don't fight for what I want.


They fight for you to be able to have the choice to choose what you want. You just don't understand or appreciate that.


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 9:38:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those who do not want to have a day to remember the men who fought and died at the behest of this country, I suggest you might want to say that to a stadium full of veterans.

It does not matter if you consider the war immoral, unjust, started with lies, or whatever.

Any man or woman in uniform does not have the option to just say no.

So by all means, go to a gathering of vets with a bullhorn and spew your thoughts on this. If you get out in one piece, great. If you dont, then you can be a martyr to the cause of peace no matter what.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 9:55:24 PM   
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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 10:18:51 PM   
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While this isn't officially a "patriotic" song, it's one of my favorite for moments of national reflection.

Traditional rendition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xzj_ncBPs

Ray Charles's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU8921j20e8

Let us march on till victory is won!


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 10:29:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		They fight because that is the oath they took. They follow the orders given because we the people (that is you too sweetie) allow it via the politicians.

They do not feel entitled to a damn thing.

I think your posts and the OP are good examples of some of the reasons many of our service people wonder why they make the sacrifices they do.

If you don't like it, become part of the political revolution and change things.

The internet affords people the comfort of say what they please and not have to worry about consequences of saying it around the wrong people.

This is a sad fucking thread and hope the mods pull it and slam ban the OP and any that want to post douchery words against those that make the ultimate sacrifice.

FFS people, what is wrong with some of you?


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ORIGINAL: curious23

Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.



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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 10:35:38 PM   
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Another musical offering for Memorial Day. Ray Charles opens with a little-known verse of a beloved song, and it strikes me as particularly apt for remembering those we have lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUjr8EVgBg

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/26/2013 11:10:30 PM   
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When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.
Hello!

Let me play the advocatus diaboli here. I am not American, I am not anti-American (I have been "accused" of being both, curious enough). I was 100% against the intervention in Iraq, no so in Afghanistan.

So, let us speak if you want. What would have been your reaction to the 11S ? You are Bush (don't be scared, it is only a mental hypothesis, mental in more than one sense).

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 12:11:55 AM   
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so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste

I would love to see you say the above in a room with the love ones of those that sacrificed their life for your right to say it.
Butch
Why would you possibly love that, what kind of sick emotions do you host?
I am sorry but the comment is so completely lacking any sensibility that I almost jumped from my chair.
Regardless the fact that some of those people would agree with kdsub, of course. Not really my point.

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