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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 6:50:44 AM   
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When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Whether or not we bring troops home has nothing to do with celebrating this holiday. But if you feel it's a waste of time, by all means stay home and wallow in your misery. I am sure no one will mind.


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:24:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Way to condemn more soldiers to needless death. There's no reason you can't go to the parade AND call for the immediate return of all troops to the safety and comfort of their families absent any real danger to the existence of the union.

I guess I just care more about keeping kids alive than celebrating the ones who aren't. Of course, you CAN do both too. But again, since everything since WWII has been a complete scam, I'm not real comfortable with the hangers-on...

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:33:17 AM   
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Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.



Nicely done. Not only did you belittle millions of people who have served or who love someone who has served but, as a bonus, you've provided a helpful portrayal of your own ignorance so that others may now save themselves the time of trying to pay mind to what you write in the future. For most of us, simply expressing our opinions would have been enough. Kudos.








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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:36:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.





OK... The President could do this tomorrow.



Actually.....you know that`s bullshit....

To Farg...

It`s not really celebrating.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:39:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Because part of Memorial Day is remembering to not let those who have died, sacrifice be in vain, but for us all to rise up and continue the fight for liberty and justice for all.


ALL? All whom?


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:41:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Because part of Memorial Day is remembering to not let those who have died, sacrifice be in vain, but for us all to rise up and continue the fight for liberty and justice for all.

Is that what they(our soldiers) are fighting for Aylee ?
Liberty and justice for all,do you really believe that ?
How can you believe such bullshit,weren't you paying attention when Haliburton marched off to war ?

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 8:43:56 AM   
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Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.



Nicely done. Not only did you belittle millions of people who have served or who love someone who has served but, as a bonus, you've provided a helpful portrayal of your own ignorance so that others may now save themselves the time of trying to pay mind to what you write in the future. For most of us, simply expressing our opinions would have been enough. Kudos.





curious23:





yours truly,
Kaliko

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:03:49 AM   
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Wars have become so impersonal that praising someone for fighting for my sake in one seems a bit odd. Soldiers don't fight for what I want. They fight for what someone says I want and then feel entitled to gratitude afterwards. I'd be more grateful to a neighbor for saving my newspaper from the rain than someone insisting on fighting a bad guy on my behalf even after I say 'come home'.

Nicely done. Not only did you belittle millions of people who have served or who love someone who has served but, as a bonus, you've provided a helpful portrayal of your own ignorance so that others may now save themselves the time of trying to pay mind to what you write in the future. For most of us, simply expressing our opinions would have been enough. Kudos.




Well stated, Kaliko!


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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:18:32 AM   
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When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Because part of Memorial Day is remembering to not let those who have died, sacrifice be in vain, but for us all to rise up and continue the fight for liberty and justice for all.

Is that what they(our soldiers) are fighting for Aylee ?


Yes. And I believe that is what they believed they were fighting and dying for these last 237 years.

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Liberty and justice for all,do you really believe that ?


I hope for it. Despair is a sin, as a favorite author of mine often points out.

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How can you believe such bullshit,weren't you paying attention when Haliburton marched off to war ?


What are you talking about? I thought that this was supposed to be about our dead soldiers, not civilian companies. And why the hate on Halliburton anyways? Was there another US company that could have fulfilled all of the roles that Halliburton did?



For those who are still unclear on the concept, Memorial Day (formerly "Decoration Day," as in decorate with flags the graves of our honored dead) is for those who didn't make it home, and for those who did but are no longer with us.

We living veterans have our own day in November, the former Armistice Day. We'll certainly say "You're welcome!" if thanked for our service this weekend, but it's not really _our_ day (yet).

(And if you're having a great long weekend at the beach, or friends over for a cookout, that's cool too.)

A person wiser than I once identified those such as I as one who cared more about others than ourselves. Our service was both "the best of times and the worst of times" but few regret that service or the persons we served with. Our memories are full and, if asked, we would do it all over again. My absent companions (living or dead) are always present in my mind and heart.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:19:45 AM   
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Why celebrate dead soldiers?

I'd say "commemorate" or "honor" rather than "celebrate."

As for your question, Lincoln provided the best answer I know:

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Yes, of course but one might easily argue that Lincoln stood on much firmer ground. Those that died in the US civil war did so because in fact, for among the most sacred causes.

Since then, not so sacred, with the possible exception of WWII. Our war dead now are to be mourned not for their fight but for the rotting culture that put them in the fight.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:21:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sorry for your loss, Michael.

When I'm a pain in the ass to the bbq guests later today, and "spoil the mood" by insisting on a toast to the lost, you'll be in my thoughts.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:23:43 AM   
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When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.



I do not think we are celebrating, we are taking a moment to honor. Honor the soldier, not the government.

And, I agree we need to bring them home now, but that doesn't make them less deserving of our gratitude.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:25:31 AM   
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Good posts Aylee and DC.

Lets not forget we are not just remembering those who have died recently but those of the two world wars. The majority of those who died did so in defence of the nation. If blame is to be laid at anyones feet for being unjust, surely it has to be the politicians.


I cannot help but think that Fargle is a rather miserable person. I have never seen a positive post from him. Perhaps we should all hope that the Blue Bird of Happiness visits him soon.

I disagree...this is memorial day. It is a day that many believe we are to use our memories to reflect upon which is all we can do and what we owe to those we miss but as much because of our own political laziness that allowed this to happen.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:29:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

When we have soldiers in harm's way for no reason? There's no 'clear and present danger' to the survival of the union, so every dead soldier since 9/11 has been a complete and total waste, and we need to stop the pointless sacrifice.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

We can prosecute the fraudsters who lied to put them in danger once they're safe.




Because part of Memorial Day is remembering to not let those who have died, sacrifice be in vain, but for us all to rise up and continue the fight for liberty and justice for all.

A question I always ask (and never get a straight answer for) is liberty and justice for whom, and for what?

Is it liberty and justice for a person to work 20,30, 40 years for a company, to suddenly have them cut their position, steal the pension fund, and send all the jobs to Central America or Asia? Is it considered liberty and justice to make your mortgage payments faithfully for years, only for the bank to jack up your interest on the loan to the point where it's unpayable, and then foreclose on you? Is it freedom to go broke simply because you got sick and the insurance company refused to pay? Is it just to start a war under false pretenses simply so your corporate friends can steal Iraqi oil?

Capitalism is neither free nor just. Globalization is little more than imperialism carried out in board rooms rather than war rooms. It is a cruel philosophy that has led and will continue to lead to the starvation and destruction of untold millions. Your sense of "liberty" and "justice" are warped.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:34:13 AM   
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I'm sorry for your loss, Michael.

When I'm a pain in the ass to the bbq guests later today, and "spoil the mood" by insisting on a toast to the lost, you'll be in my thoughts.


Thank you, Rich but, just have a thought for him. His name was Jaime (high-may).

I'm really surprised to see some lefties (whose rallying cry used to be: "I don't support the war but I support our troops", when Bush I & II were sending troops off) being so seemingly hateful of our fallen warriors. I guess, it's only something to be done, when it's politically expedient.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 9:50:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		We non longer live in a true Capitalistic country, and we do not live under the true Republic Constitutional Government. We live under a socialistic system that is a corporation in deed and structure.... This is indicated in UCC title 28 where the government admits to being a corporation (under definitions). In 1933 The Democratic President under HJR 192 pledged all Labor, property, and everything else to the bankers when the illegal "Credit based financial system was introduced in the country. That was when the "Private" banking group known as the Federal Reserve was created, and when the Private Federal Reserve Collection Agency was created called the IRS... (based upon supreme court decisions information).

I am a VietNam vet... Memorial day is a time to reflect upon the many friends that I lost because of the corrupt government being The Bully towards the World. It is a time to reflect how stupid the Liberals are because they support the corporate government as sheeple and are selfish wanting only to take and take from those of us that provide for our family's and take care of our slaves.

It is a time to remember the comradeship of friends that died saving each other when we were sent to be gun fodder for profit and control of resources that we had no business being there.

It is a time to remember the sacrifice of men that thought they were protecting freedom when they were betrayed by their country for power and money.

It is a time to remember how the politicians have worked consistently to take away our rights and drive the American people into poverty and desperation while they celebrate in their riches and lie to us as to how they pretend to help make a better life by enslaving us and taxing us and sending our jobs to other countries.

It is a time to remember all men of all wars past that have dies for these thieves and liers in order to profit on the blood of the real people...

It is time for the Oathkeepers and every body else to say enough is enough... and become educated of what is really happening rather than being brainwashed into stupidity and ignorance thinking all is well...

That is what Memorial day is about... To remember, and to reflect, and then to act.

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 10:18:16 AM   
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Because of my politics, I feel like my son died for no reason, also ...

Until I realize that when he put on his uniform, he did so because it was what he loved to do.

He did it because not everyone is cut out to serve.

He did it because he loved his country.

He did it because it was who he was.

He died, "needlessly", if you don't consider honor, integrity, or selfless service to be needs.

I expect this kind of drivel from one of the first two posters. The other disappoints me.


Warmest sympathies, Michael.

May your son rest in peace, and may parental pride in his honor, integrity, and service bring comfort to you and yours.

Again, Lincoln said it best:

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

God bless!

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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 11:22:01 AM   
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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 11:28:12 AM   
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That's makes your 'I guess' pile of straw pure projection.


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Way to condemn more soldiers to needless death. There's no reason you can't go to the parade AND call for the immediate return of all troops to the safety and comfort of their families absent any real danger to the existence of the union.

I guess I just care more about keeping kids alive than celebrating the ones who aren't. Of course, you CAN do both too. But again, since everything since WWII has been a complete scam, I'm not real comfortable with the hangers-on...



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RE: Why celebrate dead soldiers? - 5/27/2013 11:52:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Men on both sides of my family served this country since the Revolution. Thanks to the Massacre that gave the name Bloody Madison to the county in North Carolina where my father's family comes from, they started serving the North.

I have family members listed on the USS Arizona Memorial, then there are family members in Arlington, and in a few cemeteries in Europe, and scattered along a few pacific islands.

Since WW2, family members have served in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Personally, I saw action on Grenada and a few other ops that Reagan considered vital to the interests of the United States.

Of the men I served with, 26 were KIA since 1983.


My point, again, men and women in uniform do not have the option to say no. Was every "war" since WW2 justified? I cant say, I have my opinions, but that is my right.

You have your opinions Farble, and the others that seem to think that Memorial day is to celebrate the dead. I dont "celebrate" the dead, I drink a toast to their memory.

All I ask is that for one day, you put your political views aside, and honor the sacrifice of those who were wounded or killed in service of the United States, and stop the bullshit.

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