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Moral value of a foreign life?

We should be able to sacrifice >1 countrymen for 1 foreigner.

14% (3)

The countryman and the foreigner's life have the same value.

42% (9)

It is ok to sacrifice some foreigners for one countryman, only some.

9% (2)

Around 1000 foreigners for one countryman is a fair deal.

0% (0)

No amount of foreigners justify sacrificing one single countryman.

33% (7)

Total Votes : 21

(last vote on : 5/29/2013 6:20:04 AM)
(Poll ended: 5/31/2013 12:00:00 AM)

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/17/2013 3:08:11 PM

BamaD

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How so? The japs started trying to surrender in 1943...at least according to toland and the historicl record.
The destruction of their army in china by the russians removed the last significant combat toops available to them.
So now we are left with "exterminate japan" as a justification.
If we had exterminated them how would we have been able to expropriate their heavy industry? Tell us again who owns the shipyard which produced the largest battle ship in the world? Doesn't that shipyard pfoduce supertankers ? How much did they pay the japs for private property?

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In 45 the Japanese plan was to inflict so many casualties that we would just quit.

Not according to toland.

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The had a plan to use bacteriological warfare against San Diego if we invaded.

Validation please.
www.ww2pacific.com/unit731.html

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The army tried to kill Hirohito because he was willing to surrender after the first bomb.

Not according to toland.

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Any "surrender" in 43 would have allowed the Japanese to keep all their gains in China and would have left their military in tact to try again.

[]To try what again?

To establish control of the Pacific, it would have been like letting the Nazi armies march home intact.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/17/2013 5:00:01 PM

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I am trying to find out the general feeling here about the value of a life of someone of your country, compared to the life of a foreigner.

I try to give both extremes and everything between. The context are questions about geopolitics, wars, interventions, reactions to deaths, etc.

Please consider always equivalent lives. A soldier for a soldier, a child for a child, etc.

PS: If you can post here your nationality associated to your vote, I would be glad.

Thank you all!

What an unbelievably odd question.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/17/2013 9:37:17 PM

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What an unbelievably odd question.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 7:32:46 AM

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Not according to toland.

Toland was a fool.

Any validation for this peurile opinion?

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 7:35:06 AM

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The had a plan to use bacteriological warfare against San Diego if we invaded.

Validation please.

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www.ww2pacific.com/unit731.html

This site acknowledges a plan without any ability to carry it out.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 7:38:16 AM

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Any "surrender" in 43 would have allowed the Japanese to keep all their gains in China and would have left their military in tact to try again.['/quote]

To try what again?

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To establish control of the Pacific, it would have been like letting the Nazi armies march home intact.

Why do you assume that their army would have been left intact?
The nazi armies did march home intact while being chased by the russians.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 1:31:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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The had a plan to use bacteriological warfare against San Diego if we invaded.

Validation please.

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www.ww2pacific.com/unit731.html

This site acknowledges a plan without any ability to carry it out.

Wrong
A they would not make the plan without means
B they had just developed the subs to do it

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 1:32:51 PM

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Not according to toland.

Toland was a fool.

Any validation for this peurile opinion?

Yes, his opinions which run contrary to virtually everyone else.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 1:36:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Any "surrender" in 43 would have allowed the Japanese to keep all their gains in China and would have left their military in tact to try again.['/quote]

To try what again?

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To establish control of the Pacific, it would have been like letting the Nazi armies march home intact.

Why do you assume that their army would have been left intact?
The nazi armies did march home intact while being chased by the russians.

They felt that it was their birthright to rule the region.
In 43 there was no reason for them to disarm if we had quit fighting them.
And the Allies saw no reason to stop the war till the German army was destroyed.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 4:29:14 PM

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Ok then... thanks everybody again, I am desubscribing now. Thanks! Thanks!

No problem, SMM: this thread - like all threads on CM - is about a discussion for all, rather than simply about responding to you, or whoever else writes the OP. But thanks for the question that prompted said discussion. :-)

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/18/2013 5:44:18 PM

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What an unbelievably odd question.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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Fascinating.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 6/19/2013 12:13:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
this thread - like all threads on CM - is about a discussion for all

Hey, we can discuss about that, if you want :D

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