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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/8/2013 6:03:11 PM   
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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/8/2013 8:08:05 PM   
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Yes, so they tell us.

Fifty years old crap is what they told them in 1914. And those generals and diplomats all agreed.

WW II was all about 30 yrs. old crap. That was progress, of sorts.

Now, we're back in the '60s, regarding this oil crap.

Gotta take progress where we can find it, no doubt.




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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/8/2013 9:47:43 PM   
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Again: You cannot bring proof, so that was it. As simply as that. Your articles do not even mention Syria, the less a proof of presence of troops of the USA in Syria. So - you have no proof. That was my question and I do not understand your need to insist on something you already recognized.

As for the US fucking off, you missed the point again. The point was not the (supposed) capacity of the USA, nor it (supposed) justification for intervention. But it is a subject for another thread so I won't explain it again. Open a thread defending your view of the USA foreign politics and we'll see. This thread is about Syria.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 3:51:05 AM   
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There is likely a division worth of United States operatives stationed within a thousand km of me. Columbia and Honduras alone have been in the news regarding such troops and their conduct and misconduct in the last month. If they are not sinking fishing boats, shooting down planes or shooting up "strip clubs," they are having a slow month openly "training" the local troops and police.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 4:04:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good. Interesting. And... do you have any proof that there are US troops in Syria right now?

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 4:13:46 AM   
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The United States does not advertise it's covert missions on television, save in extraordinary cases like Bin Laden's killing. Nor do any other governments.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 4:37:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YN
Do you have any proof they are not?
I was not the one who made the assert on the first place.
But I get your answer is "no, I do not have any".
Ok then, best regards.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 5:48:39 AM   
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Do you have any proof they are not?

The United States does not advertise it's covert missions on television, save in extraordinary cases like Bin Laden's killing. Nor do any other governments.

That may be true.

However, when there are independant external news crews in the thick of it all (and not just being shown a curtesy visit), there are usually rumurs of foreign forces being seen in the district.
The only foriegn troops that have been seen by anyone has been Hezbolah in recent activities.
There has been no comment from anyone about any other forces being involved.

Whilst this is not proof of any sort, it would seem to indicate that there are no forces other than various factions and groups that fight along with the FSA and Hezbolah with the Assad government troops.
Israel took a few swipes at targets where Hezbolah were thought to be. But apart from that, there is no evidence of any sort to support the argument of other troops being involved or not.

So this argument is pretty moot - there is no evidence to support either side.
However, lack of sightings from anywhere would appear to support the fact that there are no other troops involved on the ground.
And don't start that "unseen covert" rubbish. There has not been a single event anywhere in the middle east that has been completely 'invisible' to everybody everywhere. Even in the Bin Laden event, troops were seen entering the area via helicopter before the actual event took place - it was reported on the news but denied by the US military until the operation was over.

Sorry YN, unless you can come up with something credible, I'd have to say that your assertion that there are foreign troops in Syria is nothing more than hearsay and rumour.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 7:10:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YN
Do you have any proof they are not?
The United States does not advertise it's covert missions on television, save in extraordinary cases like Bin Laden's killing. Nor do any other governments.

That may be true.
However, when there are independant external news crews in the thick of it all (and not just being shown a curtesy visit), there are usually rumurs of foreign forces being seen in the district.
The only foriegn troops that have been seen by anyone has been Hezbolah in recent activities.
There has been no comment from anyone about any other forces being involved.
Whilst this is not proof of any sort, it would seem to indicate that there are no forces other than various factions and groups that fight along with the FSA and Hezbolah with the Assad government troops.
Israel took a few swipes at targets where Hezbolah were thought to be. But apart from that, there is no evidence of any sort to support the argument of other troops being involved or not.
So this argument is pretty moot - there is no evidence to support either side.
However, lack of sightings from anywhere would appear to support the fact that there are no other troops involved on the ground.
And don't start that "unseen covert" rubbish. There has not been a single event anywhere in the middle east that has been completely 'invisible' to everybody everywhere. Even in the Bin Laden event, troops were seen entering the area via helicopter before the actual event took place - it was reported on the news but denied by the US military until the operation was over.
Sorry YN, unless you can come up with something credible, I'd have to say that your assertion that there are foreign troops in Syria is nothing more than hearsay and rumour.


What do you think would happen if US Navy SEALS were among a crowd of civilians wearing fatigues? That would probably compromise the secrecy of a mission, no?




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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 6:46:12 PM   
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Not only is the United States directly involved but so your kingdom.

Syria Uprising: Mossad, Blackwater And CIA 'Led Operations In Homs'

SYRIA: British Special Forces, CIA and MI6 Supporting Armed Insurgency. NATO Intervention Contemplated

UK ‘confirms’ use of chemical weapons in Syria after secret MI6 op – report

Months after conflict erupted, BBC and other British media reported that hundreds of UK SAS, SBS, and Special Reconnaissance Regiment forces operated covertly in plain clothes

British Special Forces, CIA and MI6 Supporting Armed Insurgency. NATO Intervention Contemplated

Two SAS soldiers on a secret mission were captured by Syrian authorities after straying across the border from Iraq, it emerged yesterday.

These are the first five results from my Google search, there are claimed to be 3.4 million more including your state media BBC, MSN, the WSJ, CNN, etc.

Please run a search before you type.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 6:48:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: YN
Do you have any proof they are not?
I was not the one who made the assert on the first place.
But I get your answer is "no, I do not have any".
Ok then, best regards.


You were the one claiming the US and other governments do not maintain covert operatives in other countries and specifically in Syria.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 9:07:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

MasterCaneman:

Again: You cannot bring proof, so that was it. As simply as that. Your articles do not even mention Syria, the less a proof of presence of troops of the USA in Syria. So - you have no proof. That was my question and I do not understand your need to insist on something you already recognized.

As for the US fucking off, you missed the point again. The point was not the (supposed) capacity of the USA, nor it (supposed) justification for intervention. But it is a subject for another thread so I won't explain it again. Open a thread defending your view of the USA foreign politics and we'll see. This thread is about Syria.

Okay, you wanna play the asshole game? I can too. Listen(read) carefully. I understand English is not your first language, so I won't use big words here. There is no proof NOW of US troops in Syria. In 25 years or so (the average length of time of what's called an NSA), there will be ample proof of their presence. I instead offer you inferences based on my personal knowledge of the US military/political system. Read into it what you will. Chances are you'll be wrong. There are now, and have been for some time, US military forces within Syria, in an intelligence-gathering role. I'd bet my bottom dollar on it. Take it or leave it.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 9:48:25 PM   
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I do not want to play any game. Sad that you want to be an asshole.

"There is no proof NOW of US troops in Syria."

Which was my question, which you answered a long time already, so I do not see your point on continuing with the subject.

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RE: Syria: A Return to Cold War Days? - 6/9/2013 9:49:33 PM   
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You were the one claiming the US and other governments do not maintain covert operatives in other countries and specifically in Syria.

No, I was not. Read again.

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