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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL Oh the trouble I could get into!


Now you are stealing my lines......

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:34:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its called the Tytler cycle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler

The famous Fatal Sequence quotation, sometimes known as the Tytler cycle, is

"The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more."

And, to he honest, we have been through the bolded ones.


actually from what I have read here and on news I think we are past from selfishness to apathy and into from apathy to dependancy

and poll just conducted says aprox 60% of people surveyed feel its at least SOMEWHAT OK for them to do this...

which means they are apathetic about losing some liberty and dependant on the NSA to care for thier safety


For myself, it depends on the extent of that liberty I may have lost. Which is what I am trying to get too on the other thread.


the "exclusive" right to property


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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:36:12 PM   
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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:37:17 PM   
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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:40:50 PM   
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are you doing this shit on purpose?


Can you answer her valid point ?

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:48:40 PM   
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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 5:55:04 PM   
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If you`re not doing crimes, there`s no need to be worried.....those that are worried about what they say, maybe should be.


I don't break Godwin's Law lightly, but I saw this on Facebook and can't resist sharing it.



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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 6:26:32 PM   
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Phone list records are not the exclusive right of property to the phone owner.



I already answered that for you several times, I am not your personal legal teacher, so do some fucking homework on your own.

wiki gives you a general overview, if you want to get more precise do your due diligence.

Trespass to the person historically involved six separate trespasses: threats, assault, battery, wounding, mayhem, and maiming.[1] Through the evolution of the common law in various jurisdictions, and the codification of common law torts, most jurisdictions now broadly recognize three trespasses to the person: assault, which is "any act of such a nature as to excite an apprehension of battery";[2] battery, "any intentional and unpermitted contact with the plaintiff's person or anything attached to it and practically identified with it";[2] and false imprisonment, the "unlaw[ful] obstruct[ion] or depriv[ation] of freedom from restraint of movement".[3]

traffic stop LOL



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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 6:33:34 PM   
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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 6:37:07 PM   
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For myself, it depends on the extent of that liberty I may have lost. Which is what I am trying to get too on the other thread.

I don't think I've lost ANY liberty yet. Nobody has called me and said I can't do something. Nobody has prevented me from crossing the border.

Yet... I dislike crossing the border intensely due to the loss of freedom and the never-ending question of "what if I popped up in their big data model. I'm bound to sooner or later". I talk to some people and I need to use encrypted communication channels to do it. I want to have certain conversations and I elect not to because I'm on the phone and the phone is not secure. I think about attending a protest but nowadays it's felonies rather than misdemeanors they hand out so I elect not to go. I'm interested in web pages like this one: http://prism-break.org/. In other words, exactly as this sort of thing always does and just as the arab spring guy wrote, you usually don't need to DO anything when you're the government. It's enough for the people to know that "big brother is watching" and he has no restraint. In and of itself those two factors will control most people.

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 7:32:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Unless you can call Verizon and demand they delete their lists, and they do so, they are not your "exclusive" property.



actually it is, unless you have a contract that says otherwise.

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 7:39:11 PM   
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Go head... call them...ask them if they will delete any phone call list you have made... and they will tell you they cant. Go ahead... Im waiting.



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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 9:35:42 PM   
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unless they are an agency of government they are the mere custodian of your records. That is why krayman or whatever is suing them. I fail to see why this is so difficult for you.

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 9:44:06 PM   
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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 10:05:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Under the international laws on radio transmissions of over 100 milliwatts, a log of transmissions is required to be kept, and available for inspection. so the logs of the "phone calls" made with these "cell phone" transceivers are indeed open for view by the host government.

This cell phone provider"call list" serves as such a log to meet the requirements.

Even if it did not the cell phone towers must keep a log of their transmissions, as commercial radio transmitters.

If the number called from the cell phone has a privacy interest under your laws I cannot say.

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 10:47:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting, never loooked into that, now I can say that cb's and all these walkie talkies at walmart are 4 watts and ham is 2000watts.

Havent done any experiments yet with a small 12" tesla coil to see if 4 watts can communicate with someone on the other side of the planet but it sure receives peking radio nicely and without battery or amplifier.



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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 10:50:14 PM   
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Then why do their agreements use the terms.... non-exclusive rights?


you have the right to sign your rights away, so if it means what you imply it means too bad so sad for you.

I guess they got you by the short hairs if you want to use their service.

how about that, no redress from giving up your rights if yo uwant convenience. How convenient! LMAO




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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 10:58:45 PM   
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The information was obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina via a Freedom of Information Act request, and shared with Wired.com.

"The document, entitled, 'Retention Periods of Major Cellular Providers,' was produced in 2010 ... to advise law enforcement agents seeking to obtain cell phone records and was uncovered by the ACLU's coordinated records request on cell phone location tracking by police," the ACLU said.Here's a snapshot for subscribers of the four major carriers' policies, each with differing lengths of time for how long they keep data:

Verizon: Keeps records of calls and cell towers used for a year; text message details are retained for up to one year, actual text message content between 3 to 5 days; Internet session information for up to a year, and Web sites visited for up to 90 days.

AT&T: Stores call records for between 5 to 7 years; cell tower records since July 2008; text message details for between 5 to 7 years; text message content is not retained; Internet session information and destinations for up to 72 hours.

Sprint: Hangs onto call records and cell tower records for between 18 and 24 months. Internet session and destination info for up to 60 days; text message details for up to 18 months, depending on the device; text message content not retained; Internet session info and destination info for up to 60 days.

T-Mobile: Retains call record details for 5 years; cell towers used, "officially, 4-6 months, really a year or more;" text message details 5 years; text message content, not kept; Internet session and destination info is not kept.


http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/how-long-do-wireless-carriers-keep-your-data-120367

http://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-location-tracking-request-response-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 11:04:40 PM   
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I already answered that for you several times, I am not your personal legal teacher, so do some fucking homework on your own.


So, i suggest you start doing your own homework instead of waiting for me to teach you.

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I fail to see why this is so difficult for you.


Apparently its easier for me than it is for you.


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RE: NSA Prism program - 6/12/2013 11:04:48 PM   
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the only thing I am interested in is that "nonexclusive" stipulation.

I could care less if the retain them for a century, that does not give them the authority to release the records.

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