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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 4:29:43 AM

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Yes and it is the same reason as why they were the degree lower before the draconian laws were passed.

I smell bullshit.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 4:42:21 AM

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I have to smile at someone who claims to have worked in law enforcement not knowing what "intial reports" mean. ( Haven't had your quota of snark today?)

It means wait till they find out what actually happened

Lmao....It wasnt snark it was showing your comment for what it was worth. If I really wanted snark about your posts I could have a field day.

Initial report does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean waiting to see.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 4:43:22 AM

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Who gives out these initial reports TO the press?

That would be me sweetie, so I can snark.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:12:01 AM

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Who was it that stopped this shooter, again?

So we move the goal post.

So then it's not about preventing the shooter from becoming a shooter to begin with, by not allowing him anything to shoot with; it's about arming all of society to "stop this shooter."

If I'm selling fire extinguishers, it would be in my economic interest to oppose any law that would restrict society's right to pour gasoline wherever they so choose.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:18:48 AM

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Mandatory weapons carry for all Starbucks and Family Dollar Store employees, let's start there.

After people get used to that, then mandatory carry for kindergarten teachers will be an easier sell.

I think there's already legal carry at some universities. We should make that mandatory, too.

I see what's coming after that, so I'm starting up a firearms gallery and shooting range for 5 year-olds.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:22:34 AM

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Go ahead, move the goal post then, instead of answering the question.

Gasoline doesn't put out fires, water does, but it often takes guns to stop guns.

So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

Or by trained officers who were lucky that the movement to disarm the police hadn't reached this campus yet?

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Who was it that stopped this shooter, again?

So we move the goal post.

So then it's not about preventing the shooter from becoming a shooter to begin with, by not allowing him anything to shoot with; it's about arming all of society to "stop this shooter."

If I'm selling fire extinguishers, it would be in my economic interest to oppose any law that would restrict society's right to pour gasoline wherever they so choose.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:31:53 AM

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Who gives out these initial reports TO the press?

That would be me sweetie, so I can snark.

strokes your snark

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:43:01 AM

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"... but it often takes guns to stop guns."

Exactly. So let's insure that the more unstable elements of society have free access to guns, so that we can use our guns to stop them ...

Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.

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So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

The anti-gun nuts, the left wing crazies, the unarmed zealots, were the ones who armed this fellow to begin with, are you saying?

Here's a news flash for you, BTW: a large number of voting Democrats and 'librullz!' (gotta say it like Rush says it) are in the free access to all camp, and OTOH, more shocking, a lot of gun owners are in favor of responsible gun laws.

What is the world coming to?

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:47:34 AM

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Go ahead, move the goal post then, instead of answering the question.

Gasoline doesn't put out fires, water does, but it often takes guns to stop guns.

So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

Or by trained officers who were lucky that the movement to disarm the police hadn't reached this campus yet?

Seems to me you moved the goal posts and ignored Edwynns very relevant point. Just ignore those shot dead and expound on who shot the gunman.

Fucking incredible.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:49:42 AM

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strokes your snark

Is this code.......

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:51:46 AM

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You can read exactly what I am saying, so there is no rational point in continuing to make up strawman fallacies that I never said.

And you are hardly insulting me by calling me a 'librul'...
If you don't like my liberal posts, then come up with some facts to refute them.

Like it or not, the fact is that more people would have died in this incident (and many others) if the extremist calls to disarm everyone including police ( which I've already linked to, so spare me any further strawmen), were put into effect.

Unlike some people, I don't see more dead bodies as a bigger soapbox I see them as a bigger tragedy.

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"... but it often takes guns to stop guns."

Exactly. So let's insure that the more unstable elements of society have free access to guns, so that we can use our guns to stop them ...

Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me.

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So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

The anti-gun nuts, the left wing crazies, the unarmed zealots, were the ones who armed this fellow to begin with, are you saying?

Here's a news flash for you, BTW: a large number of voting Democrats and 'librullz!' (gotta say it like Rush says it) are in the free access to all camp, and OTOH, more shocking, a lot of gun owners are in favor of responsible gun laws.

What is the world coming to?

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 5:53:17 AM

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Do you have any fucking facts? Any proof that I said those words that he attributed to me?

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Go ahead, move the goal post then, instead of answering the question.

Gasoline doesn't put out fires, water does, but it often takes guns to stop guns.

So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

Or by trained officers who were lucky that the movement to disarm the police hadn't reached this campus yet?

Seems to me you moved the goal posts and ignored Edwynns very relevant point. Just ignore those shot dead and expound on who shot the gunman.

Fucking incredible.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:07:17 AM

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Like it or not, the fact is that more people would have died in this incident (and many others), if the extremist calls to disarm everyone including police ( which I've already linked to, so spare me any further strawmen), were put into effect. , were put into effect.

Whether you or I like it or not, the fact is that no one at all would have been killed if this fellow was never armed to begin with.

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if the extremist calls to disarm everyone including police ( which I've already linked to, so spare me any further strawmen)

No worries. I'll not retaliate against the straw man you use just there with one of my own.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:16:15 AM

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Like it or not, the fact is that more people would have died in this incident (and many others) if the extremist calls to disarm everyone including police ( which I've already linked to, so spare me any further strawmen), were put into effect.

So.... how do you explain that in countries where your average Joe does not have access to firearms, these type of events are sooo rare as to make international headline news??
For a lot of these events, I have to watch an American news channel or see them on these boards to know about them because they are soooo common and everyday events in the US.

In an incident like this, less would have died because the weapon of choice is unlikely to have been a gun!
It's not extremist PoV - it's sensible.
Just that all you gunslingers can't or won't see the logic.
So show me where, anywhere, where Joe public has access to guns on a scale and ease of the US and also where the number of gun fatalities per capita is lower than those countries that do not have such liberal gun ownership laws so that would actually support your "less guns = more deaths" phallacy.
And don't muddy the waters with other types of violence - lets stick to guns.

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Whether you or I like it or not, the fact is that no one at all would have been killed if this fellow was never armed to begin with.

This is the point I am making.
No gun in the first place means LESS deaths, not more.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:16:39 AM

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That's an obvious fact, and no one has provided a shred of proof that I ever said anything to the contrary.
Since I just posted that I considered deaths to be tragedies, you are still strawmanning like crazy.

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Whether you or I like it or not, the fact is that no one at all would have been killed if this fellow was never armed to begin with.

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if the extremist calls to disarm everyone including police ( which I've already linked to, so spare me any further strawmen)

No worries. I'll not retaliate against the straw man you use just there with one of my own.

Again, do you have a shred of proof for a single one of these assertions? Or are you simply using these deaths to attack liberal posters with the ludicrous assertion that they are gun nuts?

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:22:34 AM

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That's an obvious fact, and no one has provided a shred of proof that I ever said anything to the contrary.
Since I just posted that I considered deaths to be tragedies, you are still strawmanning like crazy.

Again, do you have a shred of proof for a single one of these assertions? Or are you simply using these deaths to attack liberal posters with the ludicrous assertion that they are gun nuts?

When you are categorically stating that extremists wanting to reduce gun ownership would create more deaths.... then yes, that is the assertion that YOU are making that we vehemently disagree with and by making such a statement puts you in the gunslinger crowd.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:34:59 AM

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By average Joe, are you talking about the police? Because that is the topic at hand, the move to disarm the police, and include them as 'gun nuts'.

If we are talking about the population in general, what is the difficulty in grasping the notion that massively more guns in circulation among a large populace spurred on by the media, is going to lead to more shootings?

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So.... how do you explain that in countries where your average Joe does not have access to firearms, these type of events are sooo rare as to make international headline news??
For a lot of these events, I have to watch an American news channel or see them on these boards to know about them because they are soooo common and everyday events in the US.

In an incident like this, less would have died because the weapon of choice is unlikely to have been a gun!
It's not extremist PoV - it's sensible.
Just that all you gunslingers can't or won't see the logic.
So show me where, anywhere, where Joe public has access to guns on a scale and ease of the US and also where the number of gun fatalities per capita is lower than those countries that do not have such liberal gun ownership laws so that would actually support your "less guns = more deaths" phallacy.
And don't muddy the waters with other types of violence - lets stick to guns.

This is the point I am making.
No gun in the first place means LESS deaths, not more.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:40:54 AM

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Except I never said that. I said that extremists wanting to eliminate *police* gun ownership would logically lead to more deaths. Unless of course, you are talking about some kind of magic wand that makes every gun on the planet vanish, and prevents any more from being made.

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That's an obvious fact, and no one has provided a shred of proof that I ever said anything to the contrary.
Since I just posted that I considered deaths to be tragedies, you are still strawmanning like crazy.

Again, do you have a shred of proof for a single one of these assertions? Or are you simply using these deaths to attack liberal posters with the ludicrous assertion that they are gun nuts?

When you are categorically stating that extremists wanting to reduce gun ownership would create more deaths.... then yes, that is the assertion that YOU are making that we vehemently disagree with and by making such a statement puts you in the gunslinger crowd.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:46:30 AM

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... Or are you simply using these deaths to attack liberal posters with the ludicrous assertion that they are gun nuts?

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So was this shooter stopped by anti-gun nuts? By left wing crazies? By unarmed zealots?

Your quote, your straw man, not mine.

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RE: Yet another campus shooting. - 6/9/2013 6:46:49 AM

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By average Joe, are you talking about the police? Because that is the topic at hand, the move to disarm the police, and include them as 'gun nuts'.

If we are talking about the population in general, what is the difficulty in grasping the notion that massively more guns in circulation among a large populace spurred on by the media, is going to lead to more shootings?

Nope. 'Average Joe' has naver been attributed to mean just the police. It never has.
Are you deliberately trying to derail the thread with something irrelevant and obtuse??

The topic at hand is not about the police at all - it's about the campus shooting.

And I don't see anything contained in this thread that makes your assertion of 'spurred on by media' relevant or even true.

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