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Phoenixpower -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 2:14:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I have given up thinking there will ever be rational thought about guns in America. It is an impossible situation with no solution. We are a selfish people that are not willing to give up some rights to stop or lessen the human toll of gun deaths by accident or insanity. Very well said [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]

Politesub53 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 3:41:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Yes, but by consent, not force. Some of democracy loving compatriots cant seem to get that. Anyone can apply for a gun license in the UK but certain criteria have to be met. The point is, we dont clamour for the right to bear arms, and dont live in fear of being unarmed either. We have trust in our police force to keep us safe, and most of then dont wish to carry arms...... Odd aint it.

Politesub53 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 3:44:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Once more, do you have any facts, or is it simply 'attack the poster' without being able to back any of it up? Do you want to provide some facts to refute the claim that in this situation, an unarmed campus police force would have meant more deaths? quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Employ all the sophomoric tactics at the expense of dead people you want. A laughable charge, given your style of posting. I was speaking of your notion of using sophomoric tactics at the expense of dead people. Your posts may not be dripping with blood but trust me, they are dripping with hypocrisy. Nice attempt at deflection though.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 4:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Actually, no. We aren't. And surprisingly, the majority of us are glad that the populace, and most of our police force, is disarmed. It makes for a much safer place to live and work in. But there is a major difference between gun ownership in the UK and the US. In the US, just about anyone can own a gun because they want one. Period. In various tests, guns have been available even to those that by your own laws shouldn't own one. And that is because your laws are so lax that it is difficult to find someone that actually sticks to the letter of the law when it comes to gun sales. You can also buy just about any type of firearm you like in almost any number and in some circumstances, without any checks whatsoever. A BBC reporter was able to buy a gun and ammo within 19 minutes of entering a gun show - even though it was obvious from his English accent that he wasn't even a US citizen, he managed to get one without too much trouble and no questions asked. And that was a legit sale, not something done 'under the table'. That's how a lot of your crooks get theirs if they don't steal them from legal owners in the first place. In the UK, we can have guns. That might surprise some people. The difference is, you have to prove that you are trustworthy enough and mentally capable of holding a license. That would be the equivalent of your background checks which have recently been defeated (yet again). You must also prove that you need a gun+license for a specific purpose (defense etc is not a valid legal requirement). Also, you have to keep it locked up when not in use and the gun safe meets minimum requirements. Gun licenses are only available for certain limited types and limited numbers of guns. You can't buy a mini arsenal either. You cannot buy a gun without showing a valid license for the type of gun you are buying. No guns are ever allowed in the street or on open display in a vehicle and must always be carried unloaded and breach open or in a locked carry case. There is no such thing as 'concealed carry' in the UK - not even for special armed security personnel. If there is ever a gun-related incident, we do have specialist Armed Response Vehicles which normally reach the scene within a few minutes no matter where it is. Unlike the US where it could take quite a while because guns and gun-carrying police are the norm so they don't see it as anything special or out of the ordinary. The major difference is, we actually prefer not to be armed because we realise that your Average Joe is not capable of due diligence and in many cases, just a nutcase and couldn't be trusted with one. It's basic human nature - have toys will play. And for things like cars, pools, houses, boats, guns and even arm candy etc, there are quite a large number of people that just want to show off or 'keep-up-with-the-Joneses'. And it's for that reason, despite all the protests when they brought in that law, that we are actually glad that most of us don't have, and do not want, any type of firearm. Whilst those in the US see that as an erosion of civil liberties/rights (and in breach of the 2nd), we on the other hand think it's an invasion of our personal space/privacy that someone is actually allowed to cary/hold/use any firearm anywhere near us that puts us or our families at risk of being injured. As Butch said; sometimes we dispair at US logic and common sense (or lack of it).

DaddySatyr -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 5:07:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Actually, no. We aren't. And surprisingly, the majority of us are glad that the populace, and most of our police force, is disarmed. It makes for a much safer place to live and work in. But there is a major difference between gun ownership in the UK and the US. In the US, just about anyone can own a gun because they want one. Period. In various tests, guns have been available even to those that by your own laws shouldn't own one. And that is because your laws are so lax that it is difficult to find someone that actually sticks to the letter of the law when it comes to gun sales. You can also buy just about any type of firearm you like in almost any number and in some circumstances, without any checks whatsoever. A BBC reporter was able to buy a gun and ammo within 19 minutes of entering a gun show - even though it was obvious from his English accent that he wasn't even a US citizen, he managed to get one without too much trouble and no questions asked. And that was a legit sale, not something done 'under the table'. That's how a lot of your crooks get theirs if they don't steal them from legal owners in the first place. In the UK, we can have guns. That might surprise some people. The difference is, you have to prove that you are trustworthy enough and mentally capable of holding a license. That would be the equivalent of your background checks which have recently been defeated (yet again). You must also prove that you need a gun+license for a specific purpose (defense etc is not a valid legal requirement). Also, you have to keep it locked up when not in use and the gun safe meets minimum requirements. Gun licenses are only available for certain limited types and limited numbers of guns. You can't buy a mini arsenal either. You cannot buy a gun without showing a valid license for the type of gun you are buying. No guns are ever allowed in the street or on open display in a vehicle and must always be carried unloaded and breach open or in a locked carry case. There is no such thing as 'concealed carry' in the UK - not even for special armed security personnel. If there is ever a gun-related incident, we do have specialist Armed Response Vehicles which normally reach the scene within a few minutes no matter where it is. Unlike the US where it could take quite a while because guns and gun-carrying police are the norm so they don't see it as anything special or out of the ordinary. The major difference is, we actually prefer not to be armed because we realise that your Average Joe is not capable of due diligence and in many cases, just a nutcase and couldn't be trusted with one. It's basic human nature - have toys will play. And for things like cars, pools, houses, boats, guns and even arm candy etc, there are quite a large number of people that just want to show off or 'keep-up-with-the-Joneses'. And it's for that reason, despite all the protests when they brought in that law, that we are actually glad that most of us don't have, and do not want, any type of firearm. Whilst those in the US see that as an erosion of civil liberties/rights (and in breach of the 2nd), we on the other hand think it's an invasion of our personal space/privacy that someone is actually allowed to cary/hold/use any firearm anywhere near us that puts us or our families at risk of being injured. As Butch said; sometimes we dispair at US logic and common sense (or lack of it). I could introduce you to plenty of people that have "foreign" accents that are, indeed, US citizens (and a couple of them are poms). So, that slant is facacta. As you mentioned, there are people that are violating the laws that are already in place. Hmmmm ... maybe we should enforce those laws, a little better? You make a point about people not caring about violating the laws that we already have. Could that be because it doesn't really cost them anything to violate the laws? Ding! Ding! Ding! Lastly, you also (sort of) make another point: only people who are disposed to follow laws are going to follow any new ones, effectively disarming "good" people and insuring that the "bad" people will be better armed and more able to perform their nefarious work. All-in-all, I'm glad you're happy living in the UK. You can keep that lifestyle there and leave us to our own devices, here. Thank you. Peace and comfort, Michael

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 5:08:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Do you want to provide some facts to refute the claim that in this situation, an unarmed campus police force would have meant more deaths? It was pointed out some time ago - if you hadn't noticed (butch, post #32; Edwynn, post#44). If the shooter didn't have such an easy choice and availability of weapons as you find in the US, he wouldn't have been armed in the first place and unarmed campus police could easily have taken him down. You do like to twist and derail some threads by changing the story don't you. [:D] You said in post #46 that "it often takes guns to stop guns". What you fail to see, like all the other defenders of the 2nd, if the guns weren't there or readily available in the first place you wouldn't need the guns to stop nutters because they wouldn't be armed. And going way back to Butch's post #5, as much as putting more into mental health care might help prevent these attacks by the mentally ill, you can also alleviate the problem by a huge margin by not having those weapons available to the general populace in the first place. As for Bama's waffle about the deaths in Mexico being as high as they are even with strict gun laws is just laughable. Mexico is run by drug barons and crooks who control the guns and drugs. For decades, every president that's ever tried to push them out has met with death - usually a gun death from some drugs baron or other cartel. In mexico, if you don't belong to one of the many gangs running many parts of many cities and towns, you're a dead person - Everyone belongs to a gang of some sort that is involved in gun or drug smuggling.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 5:14:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 As for Bama's waffle about the deaths in Mexico being as high as they are even with strict gun laws is just laughable. Mexico is run by drug barons and crooks who control the guns and drugs. For decades, every president that's ever tried to push them out has met with death - usually a gun death from some drugs baron or other cartel. In mexico, if you don't belong to one of the many gangs running many parts of many cities and towns, you're a dead person - Everyone belongs to a gang of some sort that is involved in gun or drug smuggling. So, you're saying that in a country with draconian gun laws, only hideous people are armed and it is a bad thing? Good people aren't able to go about their lives and even their elected leaders only remain alive because the local drug lord wills it? I wonder what those politicians might be trading for their lives? Hmmmm ... It's problematic for me when someone else makes my point for me. Peace and comfort, Michael

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 5:27:25 AM)
And there is a gun rights group that are giving away free shotguns to those people in a bad neighborhood in Houston who can legally own a gun, and plan to do the same in Arizona and a few other cities around the country. I have come to the conclusion that guns are not the problem. Over crowded cities are the problem. In small country towns, the incidence of gun related crime is near non existent, and their are a lot of guns in small rural towns. So my solution is that we reclaim the land used in these huge, sprawling million people cities, and put the people in small towns of less than two thousand people. Let everyone telecommute to work. It is either that or put Thorazine and Valium in the city water supplies. Keep everyone happy and calm and no more shootings, and let everyone keep their guns, they will be so far into a zombie state they wont be able to load the damn things.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 5:40:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Actually, no. We aren't. And surprisingly, the majority of us are glad that the populace, and most of our police force, is disarmed. It makes for a much safer place to live and work in. But there is a major difference between gun ownership in the UK and the US. In the US, just about anyone can own a gun because they want one. Period. In various tests, guns have been available even to those that by your own laws shouldn't own one. And that is because your laws are so lax that it is difficult to find someone that actually sticks to the letter of the law when it comes to gun sales. You can also buy just about any type of firearm you like in almost any number and in some circumstances, without any checks whatsoever. A BBC reporter was able to buy a gun and ammo within 19 minutes of entering a gun show - even though it was obvious from his English accent that he wasn't even a US citizen, he managed to get one without too much trouble and no questions asked. And that was a legit sale, not something done 'under the table'. That's how a lot of your crooks get theirs if they don't steal them from legal owners in the first place. In the UK, we can have guns. That might surprise some people. The difference is, you have to prove that you are trustworthy enough and mentally capable of holding a license. That would be the equivalent of your background checks which have recently been defeated (yet again). You must also prove that you need a gun+license for a specific purpose (defense etc is not a valid legal requirement). Also, you have to keep it locked up when not in use and the gun safe meets minimum requirements. Gun licenses are only available for certain limited types and limited numbers of guns. You can't buy a mini arsenal either. You cannot buy a gun without showing a valid license for the type of gun you are buying. No guns are ever allowed in the street or on open display in a vehicle and must always be carried unloaded and breach open or in a locked carry case. There is no such thing as 'concealed carry' in the UK - not even for special armed security personnel. If there is ever a gun-related incident, we do have specialist Armed Response Vehicles which normally reach the scene within a few minutes no matter where it is. Unlike the US where it could take quite a while because guns and gun-carrying police are the norm so they don't see it as anything special or out of the ordinary. The major difference is, we actually prefer not to be armed because we realise that your Average Joe is not capable of due diligence and in many cases, just a nutcase and couldn't be trusted with one. It's basic human nature - have toys will play. And for things like cars, pools, houses, boats, guns and even arm candy etc, there are quite a large number of people that just want to show off or 'keep-up-with-the-Joneses'. And it's for that reason, despite all the protests when they brought in that law, that we are actually glad that most of us don't have, and do not want, any type of firearm. Whilst those in the US see that as an erosion of civil liberties/rights (and in breach of the 2nd), we on the other hand think it's an invasion of our personal space/privacy that someone is actually allowed to cary/hold/use any firearm anywhere near us that puts us or our families at risk of being injured. As Butch said; sometimes we dispair at US logic and common sense (or lack of it). I could introduce you to plenty of people that have "foreign" accents that are, indeed, US citizens (and a couple of them are poms). So, that slant is facacta. Not really. The point I was trying to make was the fact that he was able to buy a weapon, with ammo, no questions asked, within a scant little time. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr As you mentioned, there are people that are violating the laws that are already in place. Hmmmm ... maybe we should enforce those laws, a little better? Maybe you should tighten up the laws so they are enforcable and enforced at every single gun sale and not have sooo many opportunities where it is perfectly legitimate to purchase a weapon with no checks whatsoever. Maybe you should have something similar to what we have when it comes to vehicle ownership. When you buy a car, it is registered to you as the owner. When you sell it, you notify the authorities the date and time and who you sold the vehicle to. If you don't, you are still responsible for anything to do with the car - illegal parking, used in a crime, no tax/insurance/MOT certificate etc. As the new owner, if you fail to notify the authorities that you have purchased the vehicle within 28 days, you are fined (unless you are a motor trader and have it as 'stock' for sale). In some cases, repeat offenders get their new car impounded and crushed. That, at least, would make every gun tracable at every moment in it's life and it would make the legal owner a lot more diligent in where and how the weapon is kept when not in use. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr You make a point about people not caring about violating the laws that we already have. Could that be because it doesn't really cost them anything to violate the laws? Ding! Ding! Ding! Perhaps because your laws are sooo weak that people are able to violate the laws with impunity?? quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Lastly, you also (sort of) make another point: only people who are disposed to follow laws are going to follow any new ones, effectively disarming "good" people and insuring that the "bad" people will be better armed and more able to perform their nefarious work. I don't follow that logic at all. It's the same strawman put up every time. Yes, crooks will still get firearms. But if the availability of firearms is sooo limited, their choice of sourcing them is also extremely limited. And a good police force is able to stop most crooks from obtaining them. The UK, Auz, NZ, and various other countries with very strict gun laws have shown that it is not only possible, but also extremely effective. And don't go jumping on the bandwagon about it not stopping all of them.... of course it won't; it would be a complete fuckwad to think it would. But, like Domestos, if you eliminate 99% of it, that is far better than being overrun by it. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr All-in-all, I'm glad you're happy living in the UK. You can keep that lifestyle there and leave us to our own devices, here. Thank you. Peace and comfort, All the while you have a prolification of guns, that is the one thing you will never have... Peace and comfort.

lovmuffin -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 12:24:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Actually, no. We aren't. And surprisingly, the majority of us are glad that the populace, and most of our police force, is disarmed. It makes for a much safer place to live and work in. But there is a major difference between gun ownership in the UK and the US. In the US, just about anyone can own a gun because they want one. Period. In various tests, guns have been available even to those that by your own laws shouldn't own one. And that is because your laws are so lax that it is difficult to find someone that actually sticks to the letter of the law when it comes to gun sales. You can also buy just about any type of firearm you like in almost any number and in some circumstances, without any checks whatsoever. A BBC reporter was able to buy a gun and ammo within 19 minutes of entering a gun show - even though it was obvious from his English accent that he wasn't even a US citizen, he managed to get one without too much trouble and no questions asked. And that was a legit sale, not something done 'under the table'. That's how a lot of your crooks get theirs if they don't steal them from legal owners in the first place. In the UK, we can have guns. That might surprise some people. The difference is, you have to prove that you are trustworthy enough and mentally capable of holding a license. That would be the equivalent of your background checks which have recently been defeated (yet again). You must also prove that you need a gun+license for a specific purpose (defense etc is not a valid legal requirement). Also, you have to keep it locked up when not in use and the gun safe meets minimum requirements. Gun licenses are only available for certain limited types and limited numbers of guns. You can't buy a mini arsenal either. You cannot buy a gun without showing a valid license for the type of gun you are buying. No guns are ever allowed in the street or on open display in a vehicle and must always be carried unloaded and breach open or in a locked carry case. There is no such thing as 'concealed carry' in the UK - not even for special armed security personnel. If there is ever a gun-related incident, we do have specialist Armed Response Vehicles which normally reach the scene within a few minutes no matter where it is. Unlike the US where it could take quite a while because guns and gun-carrying police are the norm so they don't see it as anything special or out of the ordinary. The major difference is, we actually prefer not to be armed because we realise that your Average Joe is not capable of due diligence and in many cases, just a nutcase and couldn't be trusted with one. It's basic human nature - have toys will play. And for things like cars, pools, houses, boats, guns and even arm candy etc, there are quite a large number of people that just want to show off or 'keep-up-with-the-Joneses'. And it's for that reason, despite all the protests when they brought in that law, that we are actually glad that most of us don't have, and do not want, any type of firearm. Whilst those in the US see that as an erosion of civil liberties/rights (and in breach of the 2nd), we on the other hand think it's an invasion of our personal space/privacy that someone is actually allowed to cary/hold/use any firearm anywhere near us that puts us or our families at risk of being injured. As Butch said; sometimes we dispair at US logic and common sense (or lack of it). Whatever suites you guys over there just tickles me plum to death. It's two different places and two different cultures. Since the birth of this nation we have had a gun culture and wide open spaces. The gun availability ship sailed a long time ago making any kind of gun laws similar to yours virtually unenforceable. Don't worry yourself about it. Even if I was in favor of more restrictions I would insist that not only do we begin to enforce laws we already have but that any new laws are useful, enforceable and won't invoke the law of unintended consequences.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 7:39:24 PM)
And don't muddy the waters with other types of violence - lets stick to guns. Pointing out that a man will use a bomb if he can't get a gun in not mudding the waters it is the point.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 7:48:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: How do you explain the fact that Mexico with equally draconian gun laws not only has a much higher murder rate than England but also much higher than the U S I will be happy to...Gun laws...which by the way are not as restrictive as you imply, have nothing to do with the high murder rate in Mexico... What does is the insatiable desire for drugs in America. It is our fault not the average citizen gun owner or non-gun owner in Mexico. Butch The average gun owner in Mexico is as much at fault as the average gun owner in the U S.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 7:49:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It is so sad this continues, whatever the reason. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22823290 yeh well you know how it is. americans are fucked up yeh we need you brits to tell us how to do it right! Well your second amendment was an English law first, as was just about everything else. Go figure. And yet Lexington and Concord were fought because the Brits were confiscating guns, go figure.

kdsub -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 8:24:08 PM)
quote: The average gun owner in Mexico is as much at fault as the average gun owner in the U S. No... because before the influx of drugs through and from Mexico their murder rate was much lower than ours. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 8:53:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The average gun owner in Mexico is as much at fault as the average gun owner in the U S. No... because before the influx of drugs through and from Mexico their murder rate was much lower than ours. Butch And the average gun owner in the US is in no way responsible for what happened in Santa Monica. In fact , according to the FBI every time someone commits a crime with a gun 4 people use a firearm to stop a crime.

Edwynn -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 10:32:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Since the birth of this nation we have had a gun culture and wide open spaces. Just so you know, the start of what eventually became the US was founded upon rum, tobacco, and witch burning. There was much less any "gun culture" in either the earlier or later colonies than there was in Europe at the time. We didn't even care that the British denied us our own franchise in slave trading, we were just happy to be good costumers of theirs, for the most part. Just as they were later happy customers of the product of that trade, large importer of our cotton as they were. But that tea monopoly thing ... BTW, what % of the population in the US actually live in 'wide open spaces,' as of the last census, or a 40 yr. old census? There was not even telegraph or railroad in the time you propose that we're still in. Not even yet the pony express. If you want to go the route you're heading, muskets are the only way to go. I'm not opposed to that.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/10/2013 11:05:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Yes, but by consent, not force. Some of democracy loving compatriots cant seem to get that. Anyone can apply for a gun license in the UK but certain criteria have to be met. The point is, we dont clamour for the right to bear arms, and dont live in fear of being unarmed either. We have trust in our police force to keep us safe, and most of then dont wish to carry arms...... Odd aint it. Can only agree with Politesub53... In Germany you also have to meet criteria to own one and having had the one or the other school shooting here ourselves in recent years has confirmed to me that I certainly prefer our politics in that respect, cause we certainly would have more of them as well if guns would as easily be accessible as it is the case in the US... I also have no doubt that many of the troubled youths I worked with would have used a gun during their dufficult times in their lives if they could easily have gotten hold of one and I actually prefer them to live a life outside of prison than inside it... About 15 years before the death of my grandpa he got himself a gun and gosh did we hate that fact and were glad to hand it back to the police again once we found it after my grandparents passed... Even the police over here have to leave their work guns locked up in the gun safe at work at the end of their shift and I'm glad our laws are strict about that...

lovmuffin -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/11/2013 1:09:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Yes, but by consent, not force. Some of democracy loving compatriots cant seem to get that. Anyone can apply for a gun license in the UK but certain criteria have to be met. The point is, we dont clamour for the right to bear arms, and dont live in fear of being unarmed either. We have trust in our police force to keep us safe, and most of then dont wish to carry arms...... Odd aint it. Can only agree with Politesub53... In Germany you also have to meet criteria to own one and having had the one or the other school shooting here ourselves in recent years has confirmed to me that I certainly prefer our politics in that respect, cause we certainly would have more of them as well if guns would as easily be accessible as it is the case in the US... I also have no doubt that many of the troubled youths I worked with would have used a gun during their dufficult times in their lives if they could easily have gotten hold of one and I actually prefer them to live a life outside of prison than inside it... About 15 years before the death of my grandpa he got himself a gun and gosh did we hate that fact and were glad to hand it back to the police again once we found it after my grandparents passed... Even the police over here have to leave their work guns locked up in the gun safe at work at the end of their shift and I'm glad our laws are strict about that... And once again I'm tickled pink that you guys in the UK and Germany are happy with your gun laws. Here in the US your gun laws wouldn't work.

lovmuffin -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/11/2013 1:37:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin And yet the Citizens of Great Britain have been effectively disarmed. Yes, but by consent, not force. Some of democracy loving compatriots cant seem to get that. Anyone can apply for a gun license in the UK but certain criteria have to be met. The point is, we dont clamour for the right to bear arms, and dont live in fear of being unarmed either. We have trust in our police force to keep us safe, and most of then dont wish to carry arms...... Odd aint it. Yes, odd

Politesub53 -> RE: Yet another campus shooting. (6/11/2013 4:04:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And yet Lexington and Concord were fought because the Brits were confiscating guns, go figure. We were talking about the UK, you lost that argument so countered with some gibberish about the American Revolution. Go figure indeed.

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