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ORIGINAL: tj444
so there are no homeless people in the UK then? or are those people 2nd class citizens with no right to vote in their country?

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Here's what is interesting, though. I think there were only 2 States that would allow an illegal resident to get a Driver's License. That is, 2 States didn't require proof of legal residence to get a driver's license. So, if someone qualifies for a State ID/Driver's License from any of the other 48, they would have legal residence. It's possible that they could be her legally, but not be US Citizens, but this will weed out illegals within those 48 States.

SANTA FE — Gone are the days when New Mexico and Washington were the only states to issue driver's licenses to immigrants in the country illegally.
Last week, the governors of Oregon and Maryland signed bills that will allow state residents without proof of immigration status to obtain driver's licenses. Illinois authorized a driver's license law for illegal immigrants earlier this year.
Colorado legislators on Wednesday approved a similar bill, though no Republicans voted for it. Colorado's governor, Democrat John Hickenlooper, has not said whether he will sign the bill into law.
Rhode Island, Connecticut and Washington, D.C., are considering expanding their driver's license laws to include those without proof of immigration status.
Until the wave of recent changes, New Mexico and Washington state stood alone by granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Utah issues driving privilege cards to people without documentation of immigration status.
http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_23223441/other-states-join-new-mexico-granting-drivers-licenses

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

I found it interesting that Justice Antonin Scalia was the one who wrote the majority ruling, considering that he is looked at as one of the hard-core conservatives on the SCOTUS.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy what do you think? Myself I just don't see a problem with producing proof of citizenship when you register for the first time to vote. In Missouri when I renew my drivers license I must produce a birth certificate and a proof of residence. No one seems to have a hard time producing these.

I really do not care but just do not see what the big deal is about requiring proof of citizenship.

Butch

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It's not the first time. Chief Justice Roberts saved the ACA. The conservative judges have a conscience and vote on constitutionality like they have been charged to do unlike the liberal judges who vote the party line.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

[]Well, I think primarily, we are talking about people who aren't citizens and therefore, aren't paying taxes, either.

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I think there's some merit to allowing people who actually participate in funding the government to vote and to preventing people who don't fund the government from voting.

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It's easy for a non-citizen to vote for (made up) Proposition 2013-01 that says that all non-citizen college students should get their tuitions paid. It's kind of like gambling with house money. There's no real loss to the gambler.

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I think this is a case of keeping people with nothing at stake from making policy in this country and I support the ruling, whole-heartedly.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I do not think the fed should impose control over any of our states. This is awful.

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I also think that only home owners should be allowed to vote.[ Since renters vote- they pretty much vote themself free medicaid, free food stamps, free heat, free bus passes and even free phones.

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This cost has to come from someones pocket.

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Moreover- these people are lazy and do not want to work-

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often they are working under the table and double dipping- particularly in the south west.

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Now if you removed all programs- from the formula- I would be ok with illegals. They have too many kids and are a strain on resources that should go to our own folks, and our own families.

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Voting one free stuff like cell phones- I mean someone has to pay for it- and bring 11 million of your friends- is making that cost a high one.

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While they have a right to exist- they do not have the right to make me pay for their leaching lifestyle. This is what the cat food commission is cutting social security.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

That is good news Jim. I dont think they should cut in front of the line when others are following the rules.

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It means there are no rewards for proper method of emigrating. I also thin we should be pickier and recruit more scientists and engineers- and cut of tomato pickers....

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we have enough of them and they are quite fertile.

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Why should 11 million cut in front of the line?

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I want us to have more scientists and engineers.

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Not more 3rd world influence.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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What proof do you have any of that is legit?

What proof do you have that any id is legit for any reason... this does not stop my local police department wanting me to have a license.

Reasonable expectation of validity of an id is still better than just checking a box...in my opinion.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So you believe that someone who comes into this country illegally and works and pays taxes should have the right to vote?

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Syllabus, Held, b):
"Nonetheless, while the NVRA forbids States to demand that an applicant submit additional information beyond that required by the Federal Form, it does not preclude States from “deny[ing] registration based on information in their possession establishing the applicant’s ineligibility.” Pp. 6–13."

Supreme Court website

Therefore, if States have no information in their possession establishing the applicant's citizenship States can deny registration.

Chalk and cheese not your strongpoints then ?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So you believe that someone who comes into this country illegally and works and pays taxes should have the right to vote?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So you believe that someone who comes into this country illegally and works and pays taxes should have the right to vote?

The founders thought so..."no taxation without representation"

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Well, I think primarily, we are talking about people who aren't citizens and therefore, aren't paying taxes, either. I think there's some merit to allowing people who actually participate in funding the government to vote and to preventing people who don't fund the government from voting.

People who are not citizens pay taxes. Studies have shown that undocumented immigrants actually pay a lot more in taxes, as percentage of income, than the average American because they can't file tax returns and cannot access most government services.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Well, I think primarily, we are talking about people who aren't citizens and therefore, aren't paying taxes, either. I think there's some merit to allowing people who actually participate in funding the government to vote and to preventing people who don't fund the government from voting.

People who are not citizens pay taxes. Studies have shown that undocumented immigrants actually pay a lot more in taxes, as percentage of income, than the average American because they can't file tax returns and cannot access most government services.

"You can't be serious!" -- Johnny Mac

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Im wondering when we dropped into the twilight zone again
non citizens dont pay taxes, , renters vote themselves free medicaid, free food stamps, free heat, free bus passes and even free phones.
WOW the level of stupid shit just gets deeper

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Define "proof of citizenship"?

A DL and a SS number are proof?