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michaelGA2 -> Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:23:26 PM)

i was just talking to a friend from CM and the topic popped up about slave rights. i was always told a slave has only two imalienable rights:

1. the right to beg for a collar
2. the right to beg for release

is my information incorrect?



akisha -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:28:32 PM)

I'd say that is true if you are talking about a Gorean slave.



michaelGA2 -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:29:47 PM)

what are the rights of non Gorean slaves?



Taylore -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:33:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

i was just talking to a friend from CM and the topic popped up about slave rights. i was always told a slave has only two imalienable rights:

1. the right to beg for a collar
2. the right to beg for release

is my information incorrect?


With Master and I, yes, I begged for his collar, and I have the right  to beg for release on certain conditions. Something we both agreed to early on was that if things were not going good between us, we had to allow ourselves 6 months to talk things out before he would allow my release. Now granted, I could just walk out of the relationship, but, for me, that is not acceptable behavior.
 
However, there are other rights which Master has afforded to me. The right to speak up when I feel strongly about something, without fear of reprisal or punishment. All other rights that I have within our relationship are ones that we agreed upon before I accepted his collar. Those are just the basic human needs that everyone has.



Wulfchyld -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:34:53 PM)

Exactly what they negotiate.



DesertRat -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:38:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
Exactly what they negotiate.


I agree. Subject to renegotiation as needed. Relationships are fluid. This is true whether the participants recognize it or not. That's my view, anyway.

Bob 



reticence -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:39:25 PM)

I know this is not what you want to hear.  I just find it does not do a M/s relationship justice to define it entirely within the scope of "rights".  There is so much more to the relationship, I cannot speak for all, but for myself, "rights" were never an issue within the relationship, never brought up.  When you take the time to develop a relationship, and the "fit" is good, "rights" whether they are there or not, are just not an issue.  When the fit is good, the rights you have are the rights you want, the limits of your Master become your limits.   Because you are such a good fit, you trust that when there is a disparity, he will treat the situation with your best interests at heart.   Of course there are bumps, it is not perfect, but when the time is taken to develop the relationship, when the fit is good, and you know each other really well, "rights" take a back seat to living.



michaelGA2 -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:44:39 PM)

we "are" talking slaves rights, not subs.



reticence -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:46:46 PM)

Michael,

and what is it I said that would indicate to you that i was not discussing a slaves rights?



michaelGA2 -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:49:35 PM)

from all that i've heard, learned and read, slaves, once collared, surrender all rights and belong fully to their Master/Mistress. the only right they have remaining is the right to beg for release. slaves aren't allowed limits either, as far as i've heard.



mistoferin -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:50:04 PM)

are we talking about in the real world....or in some fantasy book, online chatroom, fluffy BDSM site or in someone's head?



michaelGA2 -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:52:39 PM)

right now, lets include it all, as i'm not certain of all the details at this time.



thegunslinger -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:52:43 PM)

Being fairly new to the lifestyle, I would believe the slave's rights would still be what is negiotiated, and as far as not having any limits, that sounds dangerous.



reticence -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:56:04 PM)

I dont think i said anything to contraindicate what you just said, except to try to flesh out the picture for you a bit.   When I said the rights you have are the rights you want... I was not being specific about what they are, just that you want whatever it is that you have...  The limits of your Master become your limits, and for the most part that is very comfortable.  When it becomes difficult, that is when the trust you have in your Master come into play, that he is making the right decisions for you.  I could be wrong, but I think these things are usually determined by the Master, not by some generally agreed upon rules by which he feels encumbered. 




YourCss -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 9:56:12 PM)

Slave Rights.....What a dichotmy of terms....This thread is starting to scare me.  Slave Rights.  Okay, I am a slave...and I have the right to..................


I have no right none.  I do not have the right to forgiveness.  I do not have the right to release.  I realize there is an interesting idea that I have a right to choose my Owner, but in the end, it is He who chooses me. 

to breathe....no

to sleep....no

to pee?
to poop?
to eat?
I suppose by law I have the right to live, but in fact outside of the will of my Owner there is no life.  There is only limbo.

No.
There is no such thing as slave rights.  Only for those who are not slaves.



michaelGA2 -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 10:02:31 PM)

i'm going to let this thread run on it's onw as it was placed here by request of a friend. so please, feel free to post.



reticence -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 10:03:55 PM)

Css

If I may ask... in the course of your everyday life, how often do your "rights" or lack thereof become an issue?  Are you primarily happy with how your life is going, with the decisions your Master is making for you?



BreakMeShakeMe -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 10:07:59 PM)

Slaves have rights... everyday they are owned... they have rights. Forget the illusions...





mistoferin -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 10:08:55 PM)

I guess I disagree.

In the real world Michael, slaves have every right as every other human being under the law. There are people who roleplay that they have given up all of their rights....but if push came to shove and they needed to fall back on one, they are still there....in fact they never left.

It's a cool fantasy...but that is what it is...a fantasy where the parties involved are creating and living an illusion. Some take it pretty seriously and that's cool....they may even buy into it so strongly that it becomes their reality. That's great right up to the moment that they need it not to be....and then thankfully, they can step back into society where their rights are just as protected as everyone else's.

Oh and that no limits thing......there are no limitless human beings. Unfortunately, limits are just a shortcoming of the human condition.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Slave Rights (6/26/2006 10:09:34 PM)

Are we doing this one again?  Slaves don't have rights.  That's what being a slave means, and it's why slavery is outlawed in the U.S.A.



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