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Caretakr -> RE: Slave Rights (6/27/2006 8:35:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: txpet

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr


My negotiations consist of outlining the uses I have for a slave,and the responsibilities I self-enforce to keep property in a usable condition. After which it is up to the slave to accept or decline. The limits are all mine-and I will reject any of the slave's, that do not hinge entirely on mental or physical health reasons.

And even if she submits to me, I am still forced to submit to the society I live in.

Needless to say,submissives and myself have no use for each other.[8D]


Sounds familiar to me


Whatever works...................



thisishis -> RE: Slave Rights (6/27/2006 9:49:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Thisishis, loved your post.  There were things in there which I needed to read tonight.  Thank you.
WOW .... thank *you* ownedgirlie.
i'm happy to have helped in some way even while i didn't realize that i was, ownedgirlie. ... even though i don't exactly know what i said that helped and how.
i could guess at a few things though regarding the hows and whys etc. just based on my own experiences in the past couple of years. i certainly was not born with these thoughts that i now have as a 'no longer qualified under newbie status' slave. It took a lot of soul searching to reach my current understandings, and acceptance of my Master's expectations.
i'm not all the way there yet. i doubt i ever will be simply because i believe that the day i stop learning is the day i'll be dead ( .. or want to be? ... for reason of insanity via boredom?).
Regardless, thank you very much for sharing that ownedgirl. It made me happy to know.



thisishis -> RE: Slave Rights (6/27/2006 10:01:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr

Wonderful! Then you have managed to do something very few have. Be enslaved without also enslaving your Master.

And rigid expectations ARE an enslavement of a Master's ultimate freedom.
i can accept the compliment and i can't take the credit. It is He who managed to do something, by training me to meet His expectations.
Although, i understand that a great deal of trust was/is needed have reached and maintain the level of servitude and the way of thinking that i have reached ..... i still don't take credit. It takes a Master who is worthy of that level of trust ... to make a slave capable of trust of that level.
Still, i'd be the last to lay claim to perfection, though i try to do my best.
Personally, i think it's a pretty neat ying-yang of a vicious and endless circle/cycle.
 
On my Master's behalf, thank you.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Slave Rights (6/27/2006 10:41:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thisishis

WOW .... thank *you* ownedgirlie.
i'm happy to have helped in some way even while i didn't realize that i was, ownedgirlie. ... even though i don't exactly know what i said that helped and how.


Sometimes we say words in passing, having no idea of their ripple effect.  Sometimes, someone you do not even know needs to hear exactly what was said.  Sometimes it is so easy to say we can accept those decisions which may actually make us suffer, yet when it comes down to it, such words are put to test. Your post made me realize that in the big scope of things, his decisions are always in our best interest, and trusting that - while unable to see the greater picture - is critical.  I am also reminded that while he may be absolutely right 99.9% of the time, even if he does err that 1%, it is but a drop in the bucket.  You basically read my heart and showed it to me.  Your timing was excellent.  :)



GoddessElectra -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 4:24:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

i was just talking to a friend from CM and the topic popped up about slave rights. i was always told a slave has only two imalienable rights:

1. the right to beg for a collar
2. the right to beg for release

is my information incorrect?



I feel it depends on the Owner, the slave then before collared decides if that Owner  states that  Their "slaves have no rights", to accept it or not. If the Owner in question says "ok you can set limits" then that slave must choose to accept that or not before asking for Her/His collar. All in all its a agreement that should be talked about in the very beginning.  My slaves have limited "rights" only because I allow it.  There are other Domme's out there Whom don't allow a single right, and that is their personal choice.  Now its up to the slave before collaring to choose which type of Owner is right for him/her.

So in general "do slaves have rights?" it depends soley on the Owner the slave chooses to give themselves to.

~~GE~~



Level -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 5:04:06 AM)

All of this....... is why my profile will not have anything about master, slave, dominant, submissive, etc in it when I redo it. It will state what I want, what I need, and what I have to offer. As reti said, fit matters so much, and if one reads what I will have written, and sees a kindred soul, we may be able to see where it leads. Otherwise, I'll wish them luck in their search.
 
 



feastie -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 5:31:24 AM)

Good lord, you said a mouthful, Level.

Thank you.



talibahh -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 6:06:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
and as far as rights go, at least here in the US, as free as we like to think we are, we do NOT have the legal right to become someone's slave, even if we want to.

That goes without saying....BUT...we can willingly give ourselves over to another and thus decide from that point forward, to abide by his/her/their rule.  For some, the heart is compelled so strongly they truly do not feel any other options but to submit and obey lovingly and true.  Laws or no laws, they are enslaved.


So well put owned... so well put... it's so great when you see that there are others who feel/think the same... thanks
 
tali

edited for spelling [8|] 



KenDckey -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 7:20:41 AM)

As I read this thread I made of list of what we put down for slaves rights.  There are two basic trains of thought.   One is that slaves have no rights the other that slaves have some basic human rights.

Whichever train of thought you have.   Here is the list
Slaves Rights
1. The right to say no to me; as long as they understand that in doing so, I have the right to terminate the relationship.

2. The right to walk away from the relationship; as long as they understand that by in doing so, they will get no second chance.
3. The right to openly defy me; as long as they understand that in doing so, I have the right to punish as I see fit, or to terminate the relationship.

4. The right to speak up, respectfully, and request that we discuss something that is bothering them; in doing so, they will earn the right to speak freely when and wherever they feel the need.
5. The right to use a safe-word; I encourage it with them. This is not a right that I have given them either; it is one that they came to the relationship with.
6. The right to be happy. If they are not finding that with me, they have the right to say so; we then sit down, discuss where the problems lie, and try to solve them. If they can not be solved, they have the right to leave the relationship, knowing that my respect for them is still intact.

7. To have all the rights that any human being has. They are able to exercise them at any time; as long as they also accept responsibility for any action that may occur.

8. The right to a bed, might be on the floor or in a cage, but a place to rest their head.
9. The right to release
10. Shelter over their head.
11. Adequate food & water
12. Sufficient sleep so that the slave can properly care for Master

13. To not be made to do anything illegal.
14. To cry, begging for mercy.



BondedServant -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 7:31:49 AM)

By legal definition. A slave has no rights whatsoever. Only a submissive has rights within the context of what you refer to.



darkinshadows -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 7:54:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BondedServant

By legal definition. A slave has no rights whatsoever. Only a submissive has rights within the context of what you refer to.

Does that mean they can be guilty of plagerism though?



mistoferin -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 7:59:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BondedServant

By legal definition. A slave has no rights whatsoever. Only a submissive has rights within the context of what you refer to.


Legal definition?  um...slavery is illegal........



thetammyjo -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 9:53:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

what are the rights of non Gorean slaves?


The same as any human being -- franky I'd say that about Gorean slaves too.

There aren't universals here other than what the legal system of your community dictates. Some people don't care much about that anyway.

In reality, the rights you'll have as a slave is something to be negotiated at the start of your relationship. Someone doesn't have mostly the same list as you, you may not have found a compatible owner.

Being with someone you are not compatible with is a problem for you and the other person if not immediately then in the future. Why set up these problems if you can avoid them with negotiation and honesty?



Level -> RE: Slave Rights (6/28/2006 10:25:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: feastie

Good lord, you said a mouthful, Level.

Thank you.


I "talk" so much here I would hope some of it makes sense [:-].
 
And you're quite welcome feastie [:)].



ImpGrrl -> RE: Slave Rights (7/1/2006 12:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BondedServant

By legal definition. A slave has no rights whatsoever. Only a submissive has rights within the context of what you refer to.


By "legal" definition, a slave is one who is owned.  "Rights" doesn't enter into it.  The discussion of rights under the "legal" definition of slavery must involve slavery from all cultures which have allowed it...and "rights" differed with each.




kisshou -> RE: Slave Rights (7/1/2006 4:25:17 PM)

A slave owned by a Gorean Free person has not rights.

There is no right to beg for release though a slave can choose to fail and leave the relationship.



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